Nov 25, 2019
krishna boundthe issue isnt really the constitution itself theoretically, its not like it can't be appended, it's that the powers that be in the nation are mix of A. purposefully malignant and B. f***ing ed about technology/anything digital and how it functions. seriously, go watch any of the congressional tech hearings. it's an absolute joke, both congressional democrats and republicans are absolutely blind and clueless
Yeah that’s what worries me about Bernie. Mans in 78 he probably don’t even know how to turn his laptop on. Technology is moving to fast and politicians can’t keep up for whatever reason. How do we fix this though?
Nov 25, 2019·edited·2 replies
frank 2022Thats a good point, we should definitely have someone sifting through the news to tell us what the unquestionable, official truth is. Then we wouldn't even have to do any research or critical thinking ourselves! very convenient.
I say we delegate the responsibilities of truth reporting to the CIA. I mean.. its got intelligence in the name, theyve got to know what theyre talking about. no reason for them to lie to the general public.
Not what I meant though,
There are absolute sites set up to maliciously sway the American public.
I’ve seen satire right wing and left wing sites spewing absolutely garbage and people on both sides eating it up, creating further divide.
I want real unbiased news that doesn’t come from the government, but also doesn’t come from a foreign country looking to destabilize.
There are literally fake accounts set up to look like lefties, right wingers, black people white people, etc. And they all are trying to sway their respective groups one way. That should not be allowed at all. It’s a malicious attempt by foreign entities to continue to destabilize the American public
- Nov 25, 2019·1 replyhot pancakes
Not what I meant though,
There are absolute sites set up to maliciously sway the American public.
I’ve seen satire right wing and left wing sites spewing absolutely garbage and people on both sides eating it up, creating further divide.
I want real unbiased news that doesn’t come from the government, but also doesn’t come from a foreign country looking to destabilize.
There are literally fake accounts set up to look like lefties, right wingers, black people white people, etc. And they all are trying to sway their respective groups one way. That should not be allowed at all. It’s a malicious attempt by foreign entities to continue to destabilize the American public
it's fundamentally impossible to fix this problem without changing on a foundational level how the internet works, such as requiring ID to use social media sites or something of the sort. part of the issue is that let's be honest, this isn't as much as solely technological issue - tech is simply facilitating a massive weakness in our culture. There's no real way of fixing it without taking massive authoritarian approaches (the outcome of which is debatable, i won't completely write off the theory), but that of which I doubt the general public will be okay with ever.
Nov 25, 2019·1 replyHe also wants to put Assange in prison
OPNov 25, 2019·1 replyFirst TakeHe also wants to put Assange in prison
yea theres video of him saying something along those lines
Nov 25, 2019krishna boundyang has some decent policies and i think he's genuine in thinking he's doing what's right (as opposed to many other politicians running who have no real views outside of what corporate interests/establish tell them to do), but he has some downright dumbass policies on his website.
examples;
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/votingage/ - lowering vote age to 16
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/move-to-higher-ground/ - take bikini bottom and push it somewhere else
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/local-journalism-fund/ - additional grants for local journalism (asking for corruption/abuse)
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/american-journalism-fellows/ - somehow wanting to invest in "independent press" but also creating a nationalized pseudo-congressional journalist system?
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/modernize-voting/ - move our voting to the blockchain (yang pls dont fall for this meme)
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/media-fragmentation/ - literally create a task force funded by the government to coordinate with tech companies to universify what "truth" is
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/fight-white-nationalism-extremism/ - acting like the white nationalist groups are not already tracked by intelligence. incredibly vague policy
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/algorithmic-trading-fraud/ - as a tech guy you should know you can't just ban algorithms yang, it doesn't work that way
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/minimize-harm-of-modern-tech-on-our-children/ - "Create a Department of the Attention Economy that focuses specifically on how to responsibly design and use smartphones, social media, gaming, and chat apps. It will include overall guidelines, as well as age-based ones."
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/fight-the-spread-of-hateful-ideas/ - "Work with social media and hosting companies" last thing i want are tech firms working with the government to do f***ing anything that isn't some level of open/fair regulation
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/modern-time-banking/ - literal """optional""" government-funded/tracked social credit based system
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/prosperity-grants/ - asking to be abusedI died @ “take bikini bottom and push it somewhere else”
- Nov 25, 2019·1 reply
“Stopping disinformation” sounds like a great idea but the problem is that the government decides what is disinformation. Which means they can just censor what they choose
- Nov 25, 2019Korpse
yea theres video of him saying something along those lines
Yang Gang lost
- OPNov 25, 2019·2 replies
"Stop the spread of misinformation that is eroding trust in our institutions and fanning the flames of polarization in our society."
what words come to mind
- Nov 25, 2019·1 replykrishna bound
it's fundamentally impossible to fix this problem without changing on a foundational level how the internet works, such as requiring ID to use social media sites or something of the sort. part of the issue is that let's be honest, this isn't as much as solely technological issue - tech is simply facilitating a massive weakness in our culture. There's no real way of fixing it without taking massive authoritarian approaches (the outcome of which is debatable, i won't completely write off the theory), but that of which I doubt the general public will be okay with ever.
That’s a good point. I do agree it’s pretty much impossible to completely fix the issue with fake and antagonizing news / social media accounts, and I’m all for free and open internet, but there has to be something done.
Maybe periodic (monthly?) status updates / news letters from social media sites with tips to identify fake accounts and news outlets?
It’s pretty easy to do for a lot of us, but there are definitely people falling victim to the scam. And if social media sites like Facebook and Twitter post public status updates / news bulletins to all users on what to watch out for / how to identify a fake account, that may help some at least
- Nov 25, 2019·1 replyKorpse
"Stop the spread of misinformation that is eroding trust in our institutions and fanning the flames of polarization in our society."
what words come to mind
Definitely not censorship lol
- OPNov 25, 2019hot pancakes
Definitely not censorship lol
another great answer
- OPNov 25, 2019
there will always be incentive to manipulate the public
- Nov 25, 2019hot pancakes
That’s a good point. I do agree it’s pretty much impossible to completely fix the issue with fake and antagonizing news / social media accounts, and I’m all for free and open internet, but there has to be something done.
Maybe periodic (monthly?) status updates / news letters from social media sites with tips to identify fake accounts and news outlets?
It’s pretty easy to do for a lot of us, but there are definitely people falling victim to the scam. And if social media sites like Facebook and Twitter post public status updates / news bulletins to all users on what to watch out for / how to identify a fake account, that may help some at least
part of the issue i think is not as much the fact that there are perpetrators of bad information as much as there are consumers of it; there is a market for fake information and the like. it's not like yellow journalism or tabloids are new; they've always had an unfortunate place in culture. it's just far simpler and more rapid to access such now.
while some may say this is backwards logic, i think this is a case where you need to seriously sit down and a***yze consumer/mass population culture and have a discussion on what can be done about it on a larger scale. if this is a symptom of a greater problem (which imo it is), what can be done? is simplying making communication(s)/publication(s) harder really fixing the root of the systematic problem(s) in our society? 
Nov 25, 2019Why should I care? He's not going to win anyways
Nov 25, 2019He’s not winning, I’d drink my pee and smooshed poop if he did
either way I win, cause I get $1000 every month
- Nov 25, 2019hot pancakes
Not what I meant though,
There are absolute sites set up to maliciously sway the American public.
I’ve seen satire right wing and left wing sites spewing absolutely garbage and people on both sides eating it up, creating further divide.
I want real unbiased news that doesn’t come from the government, but also doesn’t come from a foreign country looking to destabilize.
There are literally fake accounts set up to look like lefties, right wingers, black people white people, etc. And they all are trying to sway their respective groups one way. That should not be allowed at all. It’s a malicious attempt by foreign entities to continue to destabilize the American public
im with you. post-truth world is hard to navigate.
im just glad we have the internet where anyone can say anything. Its every kind of person on forums like this, uniting over shared interests, and opening discussions about issues that corporate media would rather have us divided over. the same tools that create the ability to spread mass disinformation may also be the only tools we have to create peace and unity. i think we'll see which way the world decides to go within the decade.
Nov 25, 2019·1 replyFirst Take“Stopping disinformation” sounds like a great idea but the problem is that the government decides what is disinformation. Which means they can just censor what they choose
theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/02/chilling-singapores-fake-news-law-comes-into-effect
I agree the problem is the government could theoretically decide not only what counts as fake news but also what type of speech counts. Obviously Singapore is very different from the US, but they just put a fake news law in action.
- Nov 25, 2019·1 replyRonin
theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/02/chilling-singapores-fake-news-law-comes-into-effect
I agree the problem is the government could theoretically decide not only what counts as fake news but also what type of speech counts. Obviously Singapore is very different from the US, but they just put a fake news law in action.
“If an action is judged to be malicious and damaging to Singapore’s interests, companies could be hit with fines of up to Sg$1m ($720,000), while individuals could face jail terms of up to 10 years.” Ridiculous
- Nov 25, 2019First Take
“If an action is judged to be malicious and damaging to Singapore’s interests, companies could be hit with fines of up to Sg$1m ($720,000), while individuals could face jail terms of up to 10 years.” Ridiculous
singapore has probably the most dracocian laws in the world in general for social policies. look at their d*** policies. literal death penalty for weed, even for foreigners. Lee Kuan Yew was not f***ing around.
Nov 25, 2019hot pancakesY’all wanna keep getting trolled by fake news, Facebook pages, and twitter accounts?
You deserve it if you believe it
- Nov 25, 2019
I think @krishna_bound made a similar point, but I think the main problems that people blame on fake news were there beforehand, and would be there after government action against fake news (just the general societal divisions that are exploited). Then you would have to weigh the benefits of government action versus the potential drawbacks, which are pretty large IMO
- Nov 25, 2019·1 reply
Just make it a rule if you clickbait or troll or spread fake news on the internet, you get life in prison without the possibility of parole