Mar 21·3 repliesLol, so those artists who put they are leftovers under a paywall, are probably thinking that they are Beatles or something.
No, Carti, I don't want to hear your seizures after 2 litres of codeine per 10 dollars a month.
Sorry, James Blake, I don't want to see your "Homework" folder with beats that Kanye rejected.
Speaking on topic of, for example, Kanye being on this service, I still probably won't pay for this, it's like now they try to sell the whole chicken to you if you catch my drift.
Part of making music is quality control.
Mar 21·1 replyPokerking4128Lol, so those artists who put they are leftovers under a paywall, are probably thinking that they are Beatles or something.
No, Carti, I don't want to hear your seizures after 2 litres of codeine per 10 dollars a month.
Sorry, James Blake, I don't want to see your "Homework" folder with beats that Kanye rejected.
Speaking on topic of, for example, Kanye being on this service, I still probably won't pay for this, it's like now they try to sell the whole chicken to you if you catch my drift.
Part of making music is quality control.Why are people taking the word unreleased = lacking quality/throwaways. It could very well be music he has always intended on releasing that he has finally found a good way to release AND make some money from it.
Mar 21·1 replyNot saying this the best solution to the streaming etc problem but niggas Will clown this yet niggas run up group guys into the thousands lol
Always thought that was odd
- Mar 21·1 replyValentine
Why are people taking the word unreleased = lacking quality/throwaways. It could very well be music he has always intended on releasing that he has finally found a good way to release AND make some money from it.
Lol, it means I missed the point. If unreleased means that it won't fit current era but artist still wants to make a buck, ok.
OPMar 21
nicobarretis subscribing for unreleased music legally different from selling it? in regards to the artist's contract
That’s where I even wonder how that worked unless whoever runs this platform that James is talking about finds some way to get around whatever contractual obligations might be in the way
- OPMar 21
ShineWolfIt's a really complicated subject. I respect when an artist don't want to put out certain material cause it's too personal or it doesn't represent his artistic vision or simple it's trash.
At the same time, there are plenty of them who are simple perfectionist and they cut EPIC s*** from their commercial projects just cause the theme didn't fit or stuff like that.
So I support something like this so the ones who are willing to share with us, they can do it in a pirateless way lol
- OPMar 21browser
Not saying this the best solution to the streaming etc problem but niggas Will clown this yet niggas run up group guys into the thousands lol
Always thought that was odd
Exactly if it went to the artist i’d rather that but I feel like now with all these group buys & websites this method of subscribing to the artist would half work.
People already get unreleased stuff through different avenues at this point and who is to say this will even change anything. Maybe a small percentage of hardcore fans subscribe sure but I can’t see it fully working out. Possibly that was the intention to have the most hardcore fans directly support their favorite artist.
Mar 21
PurrpSoundCloud era was special for this reason
Everyone was just dropping loosies when they wanted to - I don’t think I remember why that stopped. Popularity of the platform dying or was it label stuff?
soundcloud f***ed their whole s*** up it’s not even funny im surprised no one has made like a comprehensive video essay on the subject. but yeah also getting signed f***ed things up
- Mar 21
GIO GIOJames Blake is about to find out the hard way nobody wants to spend $5 a month to hear 3 James Blake demos
ironically 3 james blake tracks just leaked so i wonder if this is partially motivated by that
- Mar 21
MidzyDo you think every artist is millionaire?...
I buy albums, only subbed to one artist on Patreon cause she drops unreleased music and covers on there. If you're struggling to come up with $5 a month you should log out and pick up an extra shift at work.
Being on a MUSIC forum and having that take is wild.
you would be surprised how many “music fans” don’t actually give a f*** about supporting artists or the music they wanna see in the world generally
- Mar 21·1 reply
SIGHNah this like a bakery you really love that makes unique food, offering to let you try some stuff that’s off menu for a subscription fee
Your a***ogy doesn’t really workcomparing commodities like food to art in the first place is just low IQ s***
- Mar 21
LaFleurThe only artist vocal about this s*** are the richest ones (Kanye, James Blake...)
I buy albums too, matter of facts I recently bought Claire Rousay's album on her bandcamp (and I encourage everyone THAT CAN AFFORD IT to do it) but you're not only thinking from an american pov (go and ask someone let's say from Argentina how much $5 is worth to him) but you also barely seem to understand how life can be tough for a lot of people. Now you go tell the mother that already has 2 jobs that her kids aren't going to be able to afford to listen to music in the near future because of s*** like this.
Stop thinking about YOU (in a very narcissistic way let me say) and think about the huge amount of people that would be excluded of s*** like this.
i don’t fundamentally disagree with a lot of what you’re saying but for you to say the only artists vocal about this are the successful one is ridiculous and patently false.
- Mar 21·edited·2 replies
at this point i think the solution for artists is just an overall boycott of streaming services and copyright striking that s*** off youtube and whatnot and keeping all their s*** on their own storefronts or platforms like bandcamp that prioritize buying music but still let you stream. people that can’t afford it will pirate and maybe the folks that are willing to buy won’t make up
the difference but it’s either that or continue getting hoed out and supporting the machine that hates you. i just don’t see any clear ways out of this outside of that or another early tidal type push for an entirely new artist owned or possibly even decentralized streaming service, which @nicobarret could possibly comment on as this is their wheelhouse.one time i read this proposal for like a government owned one and idk i don’t trust the govt but i trust megacorps way f***in less but then again they could maybe censor s*** idk
- Mar 21·1 reply
CPDOGThe songs wouldn’t be released to the public so I don’t see the producers having a case but if they did that’ll be a sure fire way of getting blackballed
hypothetically though this actually is “releasing them to the public” even for money so… if the track is a collab then the artist you’re subscribed to would basically have to ask permission from collaborators and maybe split the subscription somehow? idk there are for sure holes in this vault thing
- Mar 21·1 reply
insertcoolnamehereSo what’s your solution genius?
Every artist you listen to aint drake rich lol
fr i think niggas just forget that most artists ain’t livin these lavish lifestyles. in fact in america in particular it seems like folks just have utter distaste for artists in general of all disciplines
- Mar 21
DannyI guess I was hoping for something other than Patreon when Blake said he found a solution to the current working of the industry
yeah as much fanfare as his speaking out got only for it to end like this
- Mar 21Pokerking4128
Lol, it means I missed the point. If unreleased means that it won't fit current era but artist still wants to make a buck, ok.
you really gotta peruse the leaks of some niggas you like im sure more than a few of them are heaters that could end up being among your favs from that artist
- Mar 21voriox· edited
at this point i think the solution for artists is just an overall boycott of streaming services and copyright striking that s*** off youtube and whatnot and keeping all their s*** on their own storefronts or platforms like bandcamp that prioritize buying music but still let you stream. people that can’t afford it will pirate and maybe the folks that are willing to buy won’t make up
the difference but it’s either that or continue getting hoed out and supporting the machine that hates you. i just don’t see any clear ways out of this outside of that or another early tidal type push for an entirely new artist owned or possibly even decentralized streaming service, which @nicobarret could possibly comment on as this is their wheelhouse.one time i read this proposal for like a government owned one and idk i don’t trust the govt but i trust megacorps way f***in less but then again they could maybe censor s*** idk
Mar 21·1 replyPokerking4128Lol, so those artists who put they are leftovers under a paywall, are probably thinking that they are Beatles or something.
No, Carti, I don't want to hear your seizures after 2 litres of codeine per 10 dollars a month.
Sorry, James Blake, I don't want to see your "Homework" folder with beats that Kanye rejected.
Speaking on topic of, for example, Kanye being on this service, I still probably won't pay for this, it's like now they try to sell the whole chicken to you if you catch my drift.
Part of making music is quality control.it's a good thing for fans and artists tho
the fans that like the stuff unfinished or not have a better way to get them than groupbuys on Discord and the artists actually get the money instead of some random hacker
whether you personally would pay for unreleased material doesn't matter cause a lot of fans would and currently do, just with none of that money going to the artist
Mar 21·1 reply
k dog 99Doesn't this mean it is no longer unreleased and actually released
Yep cause they would have to clear it in order to even sell it.
- Mar 21·1 replySherman
it's a good thing for fans and artists tho
the fans that like the stuff unfinished or not have a better way to get them than groupbuys on Discord and the artists actually get the money instead of some random hacker
whether you personally would pay for unreleased material doesn't matter cause a lot of fans would and currently do, just with none of that money going to the artist
yeap this, niggas just did a secret groupbuy for like $1400 for 3 james blake tracks let alone the 3 months worth of mortgage payments that juice wrld tracks go for.
- Mar 21voriox
yeap this, niggas just did a secret groupbuy for like $1400 for 3 james blake tracks let alone the 3 months worth of mortgage payments that juice wrld tracks go for.
fr
Juice, Thug, Ye and Carti could legit all make millions off this if they signed up
I think them/their teams would be dumb asf to not consider it
- Mar 21
i just have to say im glad there are folks on here that actually care and see how bad things are getting for artists out here (not necessarily james blake and ye, but imagine what little they experience getting tenfold worse every rung of the economic ladder you go down) because believe it or not many “music fans” let alone most people don’t give a s***. so big ups to all yall in this thread for caring enough to even discuss this topic in a serious manner
- Mar 21CPDOG
The songs wouldn’t be released to the public so I don’t see the producers having a case but if they did that’ll be a sure fire way of getting blackballed
People have sued and one for leaks being played on the radio.
- Mar 21·1 replyvoriox
at this point i think the solution for artists is just an overall boycott of streaming services and copyright striking that s*** off youtube and whatnot and keeping all their s*** on their own storefronts or platforms like bandcamp that prioritize buying music but still let you stream. people that can’t afford it will pirate and maybe the folks that are willing to buy won’t make up
the difference but it’s either that or continue getting hoed out and supporting the machine that hates you. i just don’t see any clear ways out of this outside of that or another early tidal type push for an entirely new artist owned or possibly even decentralized streaming service, which @nicobarret could possibly comment on as this is their wheelhouse.one time i read this proposal for like a government owned one and idk i don’t trust the govt but i trust megacorps way f***in less but then again they could maybe censor s*** idk
Did you see the post someone made about a bill to make a artist fund or whatever