BasedBoy

4y

@op the 'Every candidate who supports M4A won their seat is a total fabrication btw

Swearengin in WV, Eastman in NE, Cisneros in CA (sort of) all supported M4A and lost

Justice Dems have a terrible win-loss record since they came into existence

Bill Ackman

4y

You’re describing the public option

Single payer would be abolishing private insurance entirely

Bill Ackman

4y

Agreed. I posted this meme the other day

safe

4y

I just dont get it

like sure maybe medicare 4 all in the future is better for reducing inequity and etc but in the short term a public option is viable, could pass congress and will get us a lot of the way there

GIO GIO

4y

Also 'every candidate who supports m4a won their seat and many that didn't lost' is a bad take, center democrats are usually in more competitive areas than progressive democrats. You won't have a candidate running for super progressive policies in a Red state. You're looking for correlation that isn't there. Not saying people don't like these policies it's just a bad take

safe

4y

Manchin barely won in 2018 despite being an incumbent and swearengin is a new candidate against an incumbent

Sure she did awfully but it’s not really one that was even remotely expected to be competitive

And Cisneros won last election in a Republican district and is within 2000 votes this cycle

GIO GIO

4y

Not a conservative at all but I disagree with some progressive issues

For healthcare, I think we should have a public option. I don't think we need to get rid of private health insurance that 200 million people have and like. I think those who need health insurance should have an option, but if you have money you want to spend on better private care, we should allow that. Public health care isn't great for everyone. My sister has been trying to get diagnosed for ADHD in Canada and they told her they're booked for appointments until next March, and she'll have to wait. This is common in all countries that have only public healthcare

For paying off all student debt - why should the (poorer) 66% of Americans who don't go to college pay taxes that pay for the education of those who did go to college? Especially considering those who do go tend to make enough to pay it off? You're asking those who don't make as much money to pay off the college of those who are educated and get higher paying jobs. The average student debt is ~$30k. In the extreme cases, If you're spending $200k for a useless degree, that's somewhat self inflected. People go to school to become doctors/engineers/lawyers and you want uneducated people to pay off their loans? Rather than throwing money at the issue we need to look at the root of the problem, schools raising tuition because they can because they know you'll just take out a loan to deal with later, high interest rates. I don't have the perfect solution but I don't think paying off all student debt is the solution

Weed as well as most other d**** should be legal and people locked up for weed need to be free. This one should be an easy one for everyone to agree on.

A lot of progressive policies sound good at a surface level but looking at the details it quickly becomes more complicated that it sounds

safe

4y

its interesting though I feel like running progressive candidates (progressive in certain key areas - min wage, healthcare, etc) is a better option than moderates in red states

in a red state going republican lite just doesnt make sense to me
far better to actually offer something different

BasedBoy

4y

Yeah Cisneros barely lost so it wasn't a terrible showing by any means.

Manchin won by 3% so it wasn't a total nailbiter, same popular vote margin as Biden-Trump right now, although that'll end up a bit higher once everything is counted. Obviously the incumbency helps but I don't think it totally accounts for the difference between getting 49% of the vote and and getting 27%.

I'm not saying M4A candidates can't win in tough races or that moderates will always win, there's definitely strong M4A that can win in tight districts, I'm just saying it's not a golden ticket to winning elections like many claim

GIO GIO

4y

Not a conservative at all but I disagree with some progressive issues

For healthcare, I think we should have a public option. I don't think we need to get rid of private health insurance that 200 million people have and like. I think those who need health insurance should have an option, but if you have money you want to spend on better private care, we should allow that. Public health care isn't great for everyone. My sister has been trying to get diagnosed for ADHD in Canada and they told her they're booked for appointments until next March, and she'll have to wait. This is common in all countries that have only public healthcare

For paying off all student debt - why should the (poorer) 66% of Americans who don't go to college pay taxes that pay for the education of those who did go to college? Especially considering those who do go tend to make enough to pay it off? You're asking those who don't make as much money to pay off the college of those who are educated and get higher paying jobs. The average student debt is ~$30k. In the extreme cases, If you're spending $200k for a useless degree, that's somewhat self inflected. People go to school to become doctors/engineers/lawyers and you want uneducated people to pay off their loans? Rather than throwing money at the issue we need to look at the root of the problem, schools raising tuition because they can because they know you'll just take out a loan to deal with later, high interest rates. I don't have the perfect solution but I don't think paying off all student debt is the solution

Weed as well as most other d**** should be legal and people locked up for weed need to be free. This one should be an easy one for everyone to agree on.

A lot of progressive policies sound good at a surface level but looking at the details it quickly becomes more complicated that it sounds

GIO GIO

4y

Yeah I guess we don't know. Would be interesting to see someone who's socially more conservative but has progressive policies run in one of these areas

soccerfanj

4y

• Defund the police
• M4A
• Schooling for all
• Student debt remove
• Green new deal

Pls. all the candidates who support these programs won their elections . Pls state effective arguments against these (I don't want to be in a echo chamber so I would like to see opposite opinions or agreements)

edit:

• Legalization of weed

Bill Ackman

4y

Pfizer just whipped up a vaccine after declining government funding. I’d say the profit motive in healthcare could be a very good thing, but we should make sure everyone has coverage and then turn it into a race for $$$. Then everyone can benefit from the competition

Bill Ackman

4y

Warren was the best progressive in the race

MCN

4y

not my stances (though I think there's some merit to their points on schooling for all & loan debt cancelation) but the traditional conservative stances on all are

Defund the police - No, we need a strong police force to guarantee our safety and law & order

M4A - Too expensive, will negatively impact R&D and innovation

Schooling for all - Turns an undergrad degree into a high school degree, doesn't fix the problem just shifts it

Debt Removal - You willingly entered into this debt, your responsibility to deal with it

Green New Deal - Too expensive & climate change is a natural occurrence that humans have little impact on

ragedsycokiller

4y

Profit motives is pick and choose on who it benifuts. We literally have an opioid crisis cause med companies wanted to shill their pills out to low income communities

safe

4y

yup!
I tried to get diagnosed with ADHD this year
first in America it was awful. unbelievably awful. psychiatrists who were bottom tier garbage and wanted me to pay thousands for tests that insurance wouldn't cover.

then New Zealand the public option would work but would take months. I paid $200 NZD out of pocket for a Skype appointment with a psychiatrist, talked for 2 hours and got diagnosed. public healthcare pays for my GP visit and prescription but having the private option let me get diagnosed within a week

Bill Ackman

4y

It would abolish private insurance which 1.) will never get through Congress, even with a Dem majority

2.) would cost significantly more money

3.) would kick people off their private insurance, this is America, we should have a right to choose

4.) all of those people who work in the healthcare sector for private insurance would be without jobs

5.) i do not trust the government with my well-being lmao

So if there’s another way to do this without these drawbacks, it’s obviously better

And like I said, if the government provided healthcare turns out to actually be better like Bernie believes, everyone will want it and private insurance will either have to lower costs & up the quality, or it will be phased out altogether and everyone will be covered via the government provided insurance.

SignedTwice

4y

Every argument against m4a is some s*** like this
Im not saying its wrong but why is the fear of losing private insurance such a big deal? I ask cuz i aint ever been able to afford it

Bill Ackman

4y

Agreed. I posted this meme the other day