Skateboard J

3mo

The whole “sample snitching” thing is just pure greed and selfishness. If you’re just making the song to make it then it’s w/e. But niggas think they entitled to reap the benefits while never having to give someone else their cut for using their work.

inb4 it’s the labels and not the artists who own the samples 🤓

xxxkiraxxx

3mo

Was talking bout first page in general but I appreciate your irony mb

saint dot edumist

3mo

might start skipping 1st pages too tbh

Rock Mudson

3mo

Crazy to see the opinion change when it isn't Kanye straight up not clearing popular samples

2words

3mo

The copyright laws and precedents that are used in court around this are extremely inconsistent and only singled out hip hop sampling because of its cultural origins. If it had only been Aphex Twin types sampling, then the whole legality of it would have evolved differently because they wouldn’t have went after them the same way

Why is youtubers making content of a collage of movie footage fair use, but sampling some of a record isn’t?

I never hear of visual artists being sued for collage art either. And it would appear that Electronic artists are way more likely to get a pass than hip hop artist. Gee I wonder why?

The music industry panicked when sampling started and basically lobbied to get the US courts to be inconsistent with the fair use law and it worked. Sampling should absolutely be covered under fair use if you read the law. But they arbitrarily set a precedent that it doesn’t apply because THEY were greedy

De La Soul wasn’t taking no money out of The Monkees pockets, STOP THE MADNESS

2words

3mo

The copyright laws and precedents that are used in court around this are extremely inconsistent and only singled out hip hop sampling because of its cultural origins. If it had only been Aphex Twin types sampling, then the whole legality of it would have evolved differently because they wouldn’t have went after them the same way

Why is youtubers making content of a collage of movie footage fair use, but sampling some of a record isn’t?

I never hear of visual artists being sued for collage art either. And it would appear that Electronic artists are way more likely to get a pass than hip hop artist. Gee I wonder why?

The music industry panicked when sampling started and basically lobbied to get the US courts to be inconsistent with the fair use law and it worked. Sampling should absolutely be covered under fair use if you read the law. But they arbitrarily set a precedent that it doesn’t apply because THEY were greedy

De La Soul wasn’t taking no money out of The Monkees pockets, STOP THE MADNESS

SPACEGHOSTPURRP

3mo

Nah it’s an attack on art, sampling is needed

FlyMx

3mo

It’s much deeper than trying to impress Reddit neck beard guitar center employees with your theory knowledge but niggas don’t get that so that’s why we’re here. The funny thing is the same people who would be quick to say “you should just learn theory” wouldn’t even know what to do with the Koala app if you put it in front of them and told them to chop up a sample. Duchamp gets to take a toilet seat, turn it upside down, throw it in a gallery and become an academic mainstay, but the act of sampling, the improbable origins of which are rooted in the resourcefulness of underprivileged, underrepresented black youth who didn’t have the funds to buy instruments, let alone get lessons, taking a device whose sole purpose was for the use of playing music and turning it into an instrument that became the catalyst for an entire culture and global industry is met with talentless arm chair theorist who got the nerve to tell me “it’s just a loop”

Undisclosed

3mo

How is it an attack on art to give people credit when you use their work? No one is saying to stop sampling, it’s literally how hip-hop was birthed lol just don’t hide your samples or try to get away with not paying the artists whose work is being used

sun Za

3mo

I knew better then to step foot into this vile thread

Laced

3mo

A lot of producers seem to have that mindset too and it's corny af. Like...niggas ain't making nothing to try and impress u or any other producer, we making s*** that sounds good. Doesn't matter if it's "just a loop" or not. Cause outside of that elitist "producer" community, nobody else gives a f*** how many times u chopped that one sample up lmao. And a lot of the times trying to force the chop is going to make it sound worse. But niggas be so scared to just leave s*** as "just a loop" cause of these niggas

SignedTwice

3mo

Cause all that s*** prevents songs from coming out or modifies the original vision of the producer

Producers don’t show the sample in the credits not in an effort to make you believe there was no sample and it was all from scratch, it’s done to avoid all the legal bs

Undisclosed

3mo

That “elitist” mentality is what gave us so many classic sample flips though…like imagine telling J Dilla or DJ Premiere they were doing too much with their flips..that’s why so many people are against the lazy sample wave we’ve been seeing because we’ve seen how producers were able to do more with less

k w

3mo

I think its cool to share original samples with your friends and even on niche forums (maybe) but people who make entire channels dedicated to showing everyone and their moms the original samples to songs has damaged the art form for sure. Whosampled too, as much as I use that website to find new music, it is part of the problem.

Laced

3mo

Dilla and premo were doing what they thought FELT right. That's my whole point. The elitist community be tryna force the chop and act like it's a cardinal sin to leave things as "just a loop". Both dilla and premo had beats that were just loops too. Madlib literally calls himself the loop digga lmao. A good producer knows what the sound calls for, whether that be some chops or "jUsT a LoOp"

Undisclosed

3mo

I get that, and some of the greatest samples ever are literally just loops (It Was A Good Day comes to mind)

I think it’s equally as annoying to label people wanting to do more than just loops as “elitists” though is my point. I don’t think Dilla was an elitist for the way he chopped things, and I also don’t think Pooh was lazy for keeping IWAGD as just a loop

Undisclosed

3mo

How are breakdown videos ruining the art form?

Laced

3mo

They are elitist tho because they look down on those that loop s*** up. Your perspective is that both are needed and I agree. It's balance. But a lot of people seem to get stuck on focusing on chops and acting like anything else other than that takes no talent. That's the elitist part