Feb 20
GoodbyeCarlI'm on the side that a sample should be noted, but it should not be forcing the producer a payout of more than 1% to the original artist. At least some money is flowing back, and it doesn't stop creativity
Problem with that is, where do you draw the line on whats a sample and whats a copy
Feb 20
BMZLove the fact prince was so determined that he was the jump around sample tho lol
Prince would sue fans for accidental s*** all the time. That man was a menace.
- Feb 20
7el7Roc Marciano shares the same sentiment.
He hasn't rapped on a non-sampled beat once in his career so of course lol
Feb 20
propers/o all my sample snitchers if u can’t stand sample snitching go pick up an instrument and learn some music theory or else we suing
This is real. Sampling is a beautiful thing and musicians from all kinds of genres do it but there needs to be balance. the reality is when you’re chopping up that sample of a dude playing the keys, who had been playing for 10 years to reach the level of musicianship that inspired you, you can’t just say f*** it lemme make some money off this.
some producers you listen to their music with 0 samples and compare that to their music with samples and the difference is night and day.
Feb 20·1 reply
notbrockAlso to any producers itt
F*** tracklib and their scamming ass service
what’s wrong w/ tracklib lmao
i saw an ad or two, i thought it was similar to Splice?
Feb 202words with a rare good take on page 2
Bro said real s***
Feb 20
insertcoolnamehere@2words and the rest of this thread eurostepping tf outta this like a mf lol
Did the guy who made the toilet seat used in the Beauchamp piece get paid for that?
It’s a sad story but like was said, it’s really an issue of him not ever getting royalties for the song in the first place, which is normal for session musicians or non-composing players, it is what it is. No matter what people pay for that sample he will never see any of it lol so it’s kind of a whole separate royalty issue there
On a moral ethical level and from my reading on fair use laws, I firmly believe that sampling should fall under fair use. I’m siding with the artists of today over the ones of the past.
People have sold visual art for a lot of money and how much does one song make? Rappers don’t make their whole career off one song or sample usually. So I’m not seeing this “rappers stand to make more” argument really.
The fat boy slim s*** happened after the hip hop s*** already happened iirc. So it was going off the precedents that were set to control hip hop and it’s success. I guarantee if it was only fat boy slim and he invented sampling, he wouldn’t have had to pay s***
Feb 20propers/o all my sample snitchers if u can’t stand sample snitching go pick up an instrument and learn some music theory or else we suing
- Feb 20·editedinsertcoolnamehere
Why is youtubers making content of a collage of movie footage fair use, but sampling some of a record isn’t?
I never hear of visual artists being sued for collage art either.Because youtubers and visual artists aren’t making the type of money that rappers can make off of samples but u know that already. (“But ajani they are making money” bro artists hate youtube as far as payment comes)
Electronic artists, just like hip hop artists, depends on who can get caught of not. Niggas itt let you rock with that bs point like fatboy slim didnt have to give up 100% (yes 100%) of his credits for rockefeller skank to be released. Just like alchemist never gets caught even tho he obviously samples a lotta s***, some people just slide by.
But the De La Soul situation had less to do with sample s*** and more to do with having a s***tttty as f*** label that “claimed” it wasnt worth attempting to clear all the samples to begin with you f***ing lying piece of s***.
Meanwhile a bunch of folks that hankered down and did it a couple years ago did it and guess what 95% of their catalog is on streaming basically untouched (which we cant say the same for others: e.g. Big Krit man them remastered mixtapes break my heart)
At the end of the day, nobody is even saying “producers dont sample period!” Like yeah thats what hip hop started on (and djs were chopping s*** up tho
) but it always has and it always is gonna be a game of catch me if you can. Niggas post mad samples on whosampled but nigga unless you blow up type juice wrld aint nobody gonna give a s*** dawg. All these underground niggas can stop shaking in they boots clipping a man that “got snitched on” one of the biggest songs of literally all time man what??? 
YouTube becoming big business too I don’t see why it’s cool for people to make a full living off YouTubes of copyright material but I can’t sample records? How much does one song make? A YouTube video can probably make just as much as a song sometimes so I don’t buy that being the differentiating factor
It’s funny you mentioned the Tommy boy thing being a label issue but didn’t realize the Amen break thing is more of a label issue too. The fact is, even when that de la s*** went to court, it absolutely should’ve been covered under fair use but it wasn’t because the lawyers manipulated a jury who wasn’t educated on music and they set a bad precedent from then on
- Feb 21·edited·1 reply
ZalaianaeseNice idea and all but your perspective will change once you try and drop an album sampling vocals or beats from these old school rappers ...
Go sample Cypress hill, old bad boy records or 36 Mafia and your song ends up a hit do you think there going to sit there and say "wow glad they paying homage to us" no nigga they getting the lawyer on the phone that second
I think you’re wrong
Can you provide any examples of rappers getting paid for being featured in DJ scratches? Because historically, it’s basically not a thing. I can tell you right now Chuck D hasn’t seen anything for all those “here we go again”s. He isn’t credited on Everything I Am, an absolutely huge song, and I don’t think he’s credited on Talking either.
It’s definitely easier to sample these dudes than a rock act. No one goes after people for scratch samples you have no evidence of that.
And you also have no evidence that Muggs wouldn’t keep the same energy. It feels like y’all just making the “hypocrite” argument out of nowhere based on assumptions. Cypress Hill has absolutely been sampled on scratch hooks and not been paid for it. I doubt B Real has ever been paid for his voice being used in a scratch. If you think Cypress Hill is pressing people for that then provide evidence. Cause there’s no way that’s true.
In circles where “sample snitching” is still a thing it’s absolutely also understood that scratch sampling is fair game and you can’t press people for that. No rapper has ever done it, literally
Feb 21propers/o all my sample snitchers if u can’t stand sample snitching go pick up an instrument and learn some music theory or else we suing
Feb 212wordsThe copyright laws and precedents that are used in court around this are extremely inconsistent and only singled out hip hop sampling because of its cultural origins. If it had only been Aphex Twin types sampling, then the whole legality of it would have evolved differently because they wouldn’t have went after them the same way
Why is youtubers making content of a collage of movie footage fair use, but sampling some of a record isn’t?
I never hear of visual artists being sued for collage art either. And it would appear that Electronic artists are way more likely to get a pass than hip hop artist. Gee I wonder why?
The music industry panicked when sampling started and basically lobbied to get the US courts to be inconsistent with the fair use law and it worked. Sampling should absolutely be covered under fair use if you read the law. But they arbitrarily set a precedent that it doesn’t apply because THEY were greedy
De La Soul wasn’t taking no money out of The Monkees pockets, STOP THE MADNESS
Feb 21GoodbyeCarlI'm on the side that a sample should be noted, but it should not be forcing the producer a payout of more than 1% to the original artist. At least some money is flowing back, and it doesn't stop creativity
This, and artists should be unable to refuse a sample
- Feb 21saint dot edumist
what’s wrong w/ tracklib lmao
i saw an ad or two, i thought it was similar to Splice?
Ah man I could go into a whole rant about it lmao
It’s a scam because they prey on young producers and beat makers to subscribe and pay for their service of clearing samples by saying “Hey use our service and you won’t get sued!”
But in reality nobody is gonna sue an unknown artist or even a relatively obscure artist because the music isn’t actually making much money
For example Alchemist doesn’t clear samples on his smaller collabs because they aren’t doing numbers and pretty much only make money off merch and a few hundred vinyl pressings (which is still illegal but not enough money for labels to care)
And even if a song you illegally sampled blows up and they come for you (like the lucid dreams situation) 1 of 2 things can happen:
1. You made enough money to legally handle that situation (that’s why they coming for you)
2. Take the L like Juicwrld but now your famous and can make money off other music
- CKL TML 🌺Feb 21proper
s/o all my sample snitchers if u can’t stand sample snitching go pick up an instrument and learn some music theory or else we suing
LMAO
- Feb 21·edited·1 reply
With all the aggressive energy in 90s hip hop, and everyone chasing the money, not a single MC ever stepped to Premier and asked for a check because he scratched their s***. Or any other DJ for that matter
To this day I never heard of this s*** happening so y’all need to stop making this false hypocracy that rappers and rap producers wouldn’t have the same energy if it was them getting samples. There’s evidence that they do keep it consistent, considering basically no rap artist has ever come after another over a sample. They respect the code and they know that being greedy with that would f*** it up for everyone.
- Feb 21·1 reply2words· edited
With all the aggressive energy in 90s hip hop, and everyone chasing the money, not a single MC ever stepped to Premier and asked for a check because he scratched their s***. Or any other DJ for that matter
To this day I never heard of this s*** happening so y’all need to stop making this false hypocracy that rappers and rap producers wouldn’t have the same energy if it was them getting samples. There’s evidence that they do keep it consistent, considering basically no rap artist has ever come after another over a sample. They respect the code and they know that being greedy with that would f*** it up for everyone.
Lord Finesse suing Mac Miller and Three 6 suing Suicideboys are the only ones I’m familiar with
But I think there’s more to both of those stories
- Feb 21·1 replynotbrock
Lord Finesse suing Mac Miller and Three 6 suing Suicideboys are the only ones I’m familiar with
But I think there’s more to both of those stories
Yeah true. And a lot of people felt like lord finesse was questionable for that. I wonder what Premier thought of that.
- Feb 21·1 reply2words
Yeah true. And a lot of people felt like lord finesse was questionable for that. I wonder what Premier thought of that.
Mac and him ended up talking it out and he said the lawsuit got blown out of proportion
So I’m assuming labels were involved
- Feb 21notbrock
Mac and him ended up talking it out and he said the lawsuit got blown out of proportion
So I’m assuming labels were involved
Oh s*** makes sense
Feb 21notbrockYeah sure I’ll just go pluck a few thousand off my money tree and get right on it
Get your money up, not your funny up
Feb 21
UndisclosedHow is it an attack on art to give people credit when you use their work? No one is saying to stop sampling, it’s literally how hip-hop was birthed lol just don’t hide your samples or try to get away with not paying the artists whose work is being used
U don’t understand, think about how a producer needs to sample inorder to make a beat.
Ruining creativity over $ greed
Feb 21·1 reply2wordsI think you’re wrong
Can you provide any examples of rappers getting paid for being featured in DJ scratches? Because historically, it’s basically not a thing. I can tell you right now Chuck D hasn’t seen anything for all those “here we go again”s. He isn’t credited on Everything I Am, an absolutely huge song, and I don’t think he’s credited on Talking either.
It’s definitely easier to sample these dudes than a rock act. No one goes after people for scratch samples you have no evidence of that.
And you also have no evidence that Muggs wouldn’t keep the same energy. It feels like y’all just making the “hypocrite” argument out of nowhere based on assumptions. Cypress Hill has absolutely been sampled on scratch hooks and not been paid for it. I doubt B Real has ever been paid for his voice being used in a scratch. If you think Cypress Hill is pressing people for that then provide evidence. Cause there’s no way that’s true.
In circles where “sample snitching” is still a thing it’s absolutely also understood that scratch sampling is fair game and you can’t press people for that. No rapper has ever done it, literally
Prodigy got paid for being sampled on Pun's Beware. Havoc got paid for Worst Comes to Worst.
- Feb 21·1 replyJR
Prodigy got paid for being sampled on Pun's Beware. Havoc got paid for Worst Comes to Worst.
Word appreciate the examples it’s definitely rare as s*** though
- Feb 21
If it’s a small artist it’s s***ty if it’s a big artist pay for your samples dork