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    fanfiction

    You’re probably right. Like I said this is optimistic and depends on the political shakeout in both the EU and US in 10 years.

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    Back on topic the optimist in me thinks Elon might truly face repercussions in the coming years (10 year scale, not shorter) in terms of all of his political interference.

    The EU could outright call for his arrest and he would essentially be banned from the EU. I would say the West in totality but he and Trump’s long lasting effects on the ties between US and EU are yet to be seen. If the US can course correct and be in step with the EU on Elon’s actions I could see him needing to flee to Russia

    Hopefully there will be discussions about limiting Twitter, but I'm not sure if that will result in a reactionary response. But, yeah, his influence on the current election is pretty strange. openly asking people to take pictures of their ballots in order to spread it, despite being illegal.

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    Silver lining is that I believe German parties said they wouldn't go into a coalition with AfD

    …for now. I have family in Germany and they said to me they’re not trusting CDU at all

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    You’re probably right. Like I said this is optimistic and depends on the political shakeout in both the EU and US in 10 years.

    people who actually interact with this user: does he actually believe this stuff or is he trolling?

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    Hopefully there will be discussions about limiting Twitter, but I'm not sure if that will result in a reactionary response. But, yeah, his influence on the current election is pretty strange. openly asking people to take pictures of their ballots in order to spread it, despite being illegal.

    On the other hand a far-right Germany could see other EU members having a fall out with them. The EU is pretty united at the moment with an unreliable US and Russia threatening to the east but their union has always had friction.

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    I blame Russia and Arabs

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    On the other hand a far-right Germany could see other EU members having a fall out with them. The EU is pretty united at the moment with an unreliable US and Russia threatening to the east but their union has always had friction.

    They hate this continent being united

  • Big Tobacco

    I blame Russia and Arabs

    this is very brave to say in the current moment. The threat of the far right and ARABS is insane right now.

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    They hate this continent being united

    literal nazi talk

    hitler pleaded with Britain and France for a united front against Russia before he invaded Poland

    annyone parroting some “united europa” crap doesn’t know what they are saying

  • OP
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    Big Tobacco

    I blame Russia and Arabs

    wdym arabs?

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    Man equating Hitler’s vision of a united Europe to the European Union in 2025 is so silly

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    At the end of the day, the quicker the US and Europe alliance falls, the quicker the EU can dissolve and weaken the imperial core even further

    whether slow or fast this process can’t be stopped and EU will continue to decline into irrelevance on the global stage

  • Banana Clip

    Man equating Hitler’s vision of a united Europe to the European Union in 2025 is so silly

    Man is mentally gone

  • OP
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    literal nazi talk

    hitler pleaded with Britain and France for a united front against Russia before he invaded Poland

    annyone parroting some “united europa” crap doesn’t know what they are saying

    ? The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939 was a non-aggression treaty between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union

    Churchill, the ghoul he was, denied any peace talks between them

  • Feb 23
    Big Tobacco

    I blame Russia and Arabs

  • OP
    Feb 23
    afterimage

    At the end of the day, the quicker the US and Europe alliance falls, the quicker the EU can dissolve and weaken the imperial core even further

    whether slow or fast this process can’t be stopped and EU will continue to decline into irrelevance on the global stage

    Answer me, who will take advantage of the fall of EU?

    Spoiler, it's not the leftist revolutionists

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    ? The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939 was a non-aggression treaty between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union

    Churchill, the ghoul he was, denied any peace talks between them

    the ussr proposed to invade hitler before with the help of france,england with military acess through poland which mainly england and poland turned down with france wanting to but was being englands dog, the czech was somewhat friendly to ussr proposal

    while also Poland was siding with Nazi Germany during the sudenten crisis, and Neville was giving concessions to germany in order to force them east out of anti-communism

    any discussion that ignores this in the history of the MR pact is either dishonest or ignorant. The MR pact was utter pragmatism for time to build up strength when all other options failed and nothing more

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    the ussr proposed to invade hitler before with the help of france,england with military acess through poland which mainly england and poland turned down with france wanting to but was being englands dog, the czech was somewhat friendly to ussr proposal

    while also Poland was siding with Nazi Germany during the sudenten crisis, and Neville was giving concessions to germany in order to force them east out of anti-communism

    any discussion that ignores this in the history of the MR pact is either dishonest or ignorant. The MR pact was utter pragmatism for time to build up strength when all other options failed and nothing more

    Source for that USSR proposal to invade Germany pre Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

  • met

    ? The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939 was a non-aggression treaty between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union

    Churchill, the ghoul he was, denied any peace talks between them

    Yes, this always gets thrown around

    Chamberlain and Daladier spent the 1930s appeasing Hitler and giving him the sudentland, the czech, out of hopes Hitler would turn east and go to war with Russia first

    Hitler did indeed try and make several non-aggression treaties with the Allies before 1939

    Only when Britian and France rejected (as German capital was a threat to the Anglo-American capital) did it in turn cause the Soviet Union to make a non-aggression pact as it was surround on all sides by hostile forces (Nazi Germany, capitalist Europe, Imperial Japan) and the USSR realized war was inevitable

    They never sent arms, aided in attacks, resources like say American industries like Ford had factories in Nazi Germany

    And the Poland invasion is always misconstrued, when the Nazi’s invaded in 1939 to take over half of Poland, the Soviets in turn occupied the eastern half to prevent a literal fascist state from being on its borders

    Oh and sure enough, Hitler eventually did declare war on USSR with operation Barbarossa just as the Russians predicted and unironically drew the Russians into an alliance with his western adversaries despite Hitler wanting to crush communism once and for all

    The United front never materialized in legal documents but the process of “appeasement” and the economic alliances still persisting between the Anglo-American countries and Germany was in hope that Hitler would never attack the west first

  • Vertical1600

    Source for that USSR proposal to invade Germany pre Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

  • OP
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    the ussr proposed to invade hitler before with the help of france,england with military acess through poland which mainly england and poland turned down with france wanting to but was being englands dog, the czech was somewhat friendly to ussr proposal

    while also Poland was siding with Nazi Germany during the sudenten crisis, and Neville was giving concessions to germany in order to force them east out of anti-communism

    any discussion that ignores this in the history of the MR pact is either dishonest or ignorant. The MR pact was utter pragmatism for time to build up strength when all other options failed and nothing more

    Yeah, I agree. Initially, the Soviet Union proposed a collective security arrangement with the UK and France. But, due to historical tensions with the Soviets, Poland later refused to grant military access (see distrust stemming from 1920 Poland-USSR war).

    I believe there's validity to the MR pact in context; it wasn't just a reluctant act of survival. It was to strengthen the Soviet position for the upcoming war. You also had the British trying to avoid war w/ them. I believe Stalin used the MR Pact to seize territory as well as buy time. When confronted with Nazi Germany, it was essentially a nuanced mess of realpolitik and distrust all around.

    Like I'm not trying to ignore the context behind it all, but he said something that wasn't true so I just said what actually happened

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    Yeah, I agree. Initially, the Soviet Union proposed a collective security arrangement with the UK and France. But, due to historical tensions with the Soviets, Poland later refused to grant military access (see distrust stemming from 1920 Poland-USSR war).

    I believe there's validity to the MR pact in context; it wasn't just a reluctant act of survival. It was to strengthen the Soviet position for the upcoming war. You also had the British trying to avoid war w/ them. I believe Stalin used the MR Pact to seize territory as well as buy time. When confronted with Nazi Germany, it was essentially a nuanced mess of realpolitik and distrust all around.

    Like I'm not trying to ignore the context behind it all, but he said something that wasn't true so I just said what actually happened

    What exactly did I say that wasn’t true?

  • Wir sind so gefickt

  • OP
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    What exactly did I say that wasn’t true?

    Because it is just incorrect phrasing. He made a cynical deal with Stalin to buy time, and hoped France and the UK would back out.

    Even if that were the case, how would that correlate to a "united Europa" movement in the modern time

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