For the socialists in here how would you start it?

f***ing OP's mom prolly or something like that

Before or after the revolution?

the issue with things like socialism and other ideals is you have to either gain widespread support. or have a huge amount of capitalist/politicians to use their power in capitalism to change things.

this is easier said that done

what the swedish social democrats did, if i was a socialist

Are you saying start the transition to socialism or the first thing you’d do as a socialist country? @op

the transition to it. no one really talks about that part.

I think it depends on your exact viewpoint as Democratic Socialists would argue to take over through electoral means. But true socialists would argue for revolution being the most viable way.

This revolution would not occur out of nowhere it would be apart of a build up. It would largely revolve around Mao’s “Peoples War” strategy. This strategy is to fight and win in working class areas, build up strength and eventually once large swaths of working class areas are captured move into bigger targets.

This process starts before a single bullet is even fired, it’s the duty of Marxists to develop people in working class areas politically. Because without mass support a revolution is pointless. We’d need the support of a large number of workers in blue collar jobs like factories, construction, etc

This is already occurring, in pretty much any medium sized city or larger there is a group of Marxists working to raise class consciousness in the area.

I see you stay true to the forefathers of communism methods. Line em up lit em up rape em make em submit

first they would have to confiscate all of the owned property in the country. houses, cars, valuable assets

don't think that would be easy tho

why would people want socialism over an increased welfare state?

Also wouldnt the whole world need to be socialist for it to work unless you want to close borders?

come on fam

There's a difference between personal, and private property

exactly they would have to do this if they want to get rid of socio-economic classes etc.

isn't the entire reason for purchasing personal property that it's private property for YOU to do with as you please?

Sometimes terms mean something different than their face value.

Personal property would be like your house, car, clothes, those types of things

Private property would be like owning a factory, workplace, land that you employ people on etc

Land is the closest you're getting to what you're trying to say but even at that, socialist theory and practice is much more nuanced, just like you'd like to think things that you're defending are more complicated than their criticisms you're defending against

many socialists on here have advocated for taking peoples houses

It also comes down to what is the most essential 'property' to socialize i.e. a workplace, so that workers are seeing the fruit of their labor

To respond to the title question: socializing/democratizing the workplace.

Much of these types of movements started with the workers and their solidarity standing up for one another,

without socialists/labor-focused/progressive people, we wouldn't have stopped children from working in factories in the US, and even a movement like that was stopped because it was seemingly some commie plot to have labor rights

OP is a troll

some people seem to be trolling but can't get enough of discussions about socialism its like an obsession

mfs is closet socialists or something

this makes more sense but I would still argue that those things you listed as personal property would also be considered private property

I was under the impression that under socialism owning houses would no longer exist. that's def how many people on here make it seem. if that's the case then something has to be done about people who already own houses.

you are projecting again. you are the biggest troll on the site.