Mar 22, 2021·1 reply
NiceLikeChristYou seem to be the only one who thinks of socialism as an in between state. On this site especially socialism has been made out to be a complete replacement and abandonment of the evil capitalist system.
I would prefer a middle ground where we take some of the good from socialism while keeping what makes capitalism so attractive.
We can improve welfare, expand affordable housing, increase taxes on the super rich, and improve the quality of life for millions without completely abandoning profits and market freedom.
I think of it as a process, path towards, etc... however there are certain aspects of capitalism that would have to be done away with before socialism could move further,
There's a debate about whether all the social democratic/democratic socialist states are truly socialist and i don't really care to debate whats real and what's not I'd just consider them further toward it than say the U.S. obviously...
It's not easy to summarize an entire shift in socioeconomic values, legislation, and society as a whole,
It's like asking 'What is life overall?' and expecting a complete answer.
You can't predict exactly how it goes just like some things Marx wasn't as accurate on and later leaders ended up adding their own specific adaptations to the base philosophy, it'd have to be adapted to the times and the specific situation/conditions
I'd like to see what you say in the last sentence at least in comparison to what we have now, but their are certain principles to the philosophies of capitalism and socialism that can't overlap imo
Mar 22, 2021and also @op are we starting from square one or starting from square 2 (successful revolution whatever that may be)
- Mar 22, 2021americana· edited
the circumstances of revolution directly relate to how the ruling class of america reacts to normal people wanting their material needs met
the revolution could theoretically happen peacefully through democratic reform if everybody in the ruling party stood up and threw their hands in the air and let the winds of change transform the country
but lets be real. this country is more divided than ever and people are more willing to fight against change and progress than ever, so it’s a fight that must be had
at least you are honest about it
- Mar 22, 2021americana
this specific discussion is semantics and a useless criticism. People with half a brain will understand the difference between a business and a homestead and the fear of people having their home taken away under leftist governance is a dumb boogeyman notion
The entire point of leftist thought is fulfilling material needs everywhere, for everyone. So taking someone’s house away is counterintuitive
- Mar 22, 2021americana
that’s not personal property then. That’s a private property as it’s being used for economic means
it’s not like we’re uprooting you from your home lol. treating those apartment complexes and random Air BmB’s you visit yearly to check up on as your HOME is disingenuous in this discussion
I agree with you
- Mar 22, 2021
You should look into Jeremy Corbyn and the momentum movement in the UK. That is a way in which socialism can be achieved in the UK at least.
It very nearly happened in 2017.
- Mar 22, 2021·2 repliesamericana
we don’t need to build many more houses (in America)
Empty houses need to be taken and distributed to those who need it. Simpleso we close borders? the population is continuing to increase.
- Mar 22, 2021·3 repliesamericana
this specific discussion is semantics and a useless criticism. People with half a brain will understand the difference between a business and a homestead and the fear of people having their home taken away under leftist governance is a dumb boogeyman notion
The entire point of leftist thought is fulfilling material needs everywhere, for everyone. So taking someone’s house away is counterintuitive
what about homes that double as businesses? someone can open a private practice operating out of their home
and most people with half a brain still consider their home to be their private property so you can't just say private property will be confiscated. condescension isn't goin to change that. socialists have to do better in that regard.
- Mar 22, 2021CLB Fractions
so we close borders? the population is continuing to increase.
You seem to think that figuratively one action about a certain aspect is the only measure being taken and requires inaction on other fronts
like to turn your car into the right lane you think you have to take your foot off of the pedal or something, type of logic
- Mar 22, 2021
realistically, america will not achieve a revolution until class consciousness is achieved. That itself will not occur anytime soon and it may take the eventual automization of the industrial world in america to truly take everyone to the next step of awareness
how would the american worker fare in an automized world? He’d have to face the facts and realize he will not have a job and will not be able to make money while oligarchs who own totally automated business will be only increasing the gap. And unless they get together and find a way to distribute the resources afforded by automation, then the worker cannot be saved
- Mar 22, 2021·2 repliesNiceLikeChrist
what about homes that double as businesses? someone can open a private practice operating out of their home
and most people with half a brain still consider their home to be their private property so you can't just say private property will be confiscated. condescension isn't goin to change that. socialists have to do better in that regard.
Do you think it is fair for houses that are empty for long periods of time to be confiscated?
- Mar 22, 2021·1 replyrnb sponge
I think of it as a process, path towards, etc... however there are certain aspects of capitalism that would have to be done away with before socialism could move further,
There's a debate about whether all the social democratic/democratic socialist states are truly socialist and i don't really care to debate whats real and what's not I'd just consider them further toward it than say the U.S. obviously...
It's not easy to summarize an entire shift in socioeconomic values, legislation, and society as a whole,
It's like asking 'What is life overall?' and expecting a complete answer.
You can't predict exactly how it goes just like some things Marx wasn't as accurate on and later leaders ended up adding their own specific adaptations to the base philosophy, it'd have to be adapted to the times and the specific situation/conditions
I'd like to see what you say in the last sentence at least in comparison to what we have now, but their are certain principles to the philosophies of capitalism and socialism that can't overlap imo
you got socialism on your back bro. much better responses than that nutjob synop
regardless of what happens I hope we all take advantage of the system were in now and adjust accordingly if the time comes
- Mar 22, 2021CLB Fractions
so we close borders? the population is continuing to increase.
There’s extensive research into the damage and land waste of suburban sprawl. Instead of wasting land that way, investment must be placed into public transportation and urban and medium-density living instead of suburban living to avoid the massive pollution, ecological damage, land waste, and racism that suburbanism affords.We can easily house, clothe, and feed humanity for the next few centuries if we can responsibly use land and resources
- Mar 22, 2021·1 replyCow
Do you think it is fair for houses that are empty for long periods of time to be confiscated?
if they are truly empty and just sitting there.
6isco 🦈Mar 22, 2021Frankito ReynoldsI see you stay true to the forefathers of communism methods. Line em up lit em up rape em make em submit
- Mar 22, 2021·1 replyCLB Fractions
if they are truly empty and just sitting there.
What would you say is a reasonable amount of time before being confiscated?
- Mar 22, 2021NiceLikeChrist
what about homes that double as businesses? someone can open a private practice operating out of their home
and most people with half a brain still consider their home to be their private property so you can't just say private property will be confiscated. condescension isn't goin to change that. socialists have to do better in that regard.
I mean these are questions everyday people are going to ask and if someone wants people to be in favor of socialism one would need to answer them effectively,If it's a practice in their home it's most likely not a huge issue as long as the employees (if they have them more than their selves) are treated fairly,
That's an interestingly specific example but they'd still have to comply with certain labor standards, there's just more info needed to work with at least on my part to answer that question fully
- Mar 22, 2021·1 replyCow
Do you think it is fair for houses that are empty for long periods of time to be confiscated?
I think there should be increased property taxes on empty homes. Living in NYC I know firsthand about all of the multimillion dollar condos that are bought by overseas investors that stay empty for 90% of the year
Stuff like that should be taxed much more. I don't think it's fair to confiscate them if they have been paid for
- Mar 22, 2021Cow
What would you say is a reasonable amount of time before being confiscated?
7 years of not using it.
First see if you can find rightful owner etc tho.
if govt cant find rightful owner then sure take it.
- Mar 22, 2021NiceLikeChrist
I think there should be increased property taxes on empty homes. Living in NYC I know firsthand about all of the multimillion dollar condos that are bought by overseas investors that stay empty for 90% of the year
Stuff like that should be taxed much more. I don't think it's fair to confiscate them if they have been paid for
That is a more viable solution for sure. It would presumably force them to sell and the homes would then be occupied.
- Mar 22, 2021·2 repliesNiceLikeChrist
what about homes that double as businesses? someone can open a private practice operating out of their home
and most people with half a brain still consider their home to be their private property so you can't just say private property will be confiscated. condescension isn't goin to change that. socialists have to do better in that regard.
A private business that runs out of your home is not the same as a multinational conglomerate of 12 old white billionaires who work asian children for cents on the dollar.
You’re obviously working with someone who’s probably making a fair share of the cash flow, and your business is local, non-intrusive, etc
And once again. We’re not designating everything “private property” and taking it away. It’s what you’re USING your property for that matters. If you have five houses and three are being rented out, socialism would take the three houses and redistribute, leaving you with the two houses you use yourself. It’s about means of production, not a mindless designation of meaningless words for the sake of state power
- Mar 22, 2021·1 replyNiceLikeChrist
you got socialism on your back bro. much better responses than that nutjob synop
regardless of what happens I hope we all take advantage of the system were in now and adjust accordingly if the time comes
Synopsis part of why I'm interested in it as well to a degree so I mean 
don't be calling him a nutjob. cmon now - Mar 22, 2021americana
A private business that runs out of your home is not the same as a multinational conglomerate of 12 old white billionaires who work asian children for cents on the dollar.
You’re obviously working with someone who’s probably making a fair share of the cash flow, and your business is local, non-intrusive, etc
And once again. We’re not designating everything “private property” and taking it away. It’s what you’re USING your property for that matters. If you have five houses and three are being rented out, socialism would take the three houses and redistribute, leaving you with the two houses you use yourself. It’s about means of production, not a mindless designation of meaningless words for the sake of state power
That first sentence is especially important when it comes to talking about priorities
- Mar 22, 2021·2 repliesrnb sponge Synopsis part of why I'm interested in it as well to a degree so I mean
don't be calling him a nutjob. cmon nowHe's a nutjob and does not help the cause by being so hostile towards everyone. It is nonsense fraudulent activism. He preaches to the choir.
If he is too butthurt to debate with people who strongly disagree then this is not for him.
- Mar 22, 2021·2 repliesamericana
A private business that runs out of your home is not the same as a multinational conglomerate of 12 old white billionaires who work asian children for cents on the dollar.
You’re obviously working with someone who’s probably making a fair share of the cash flow, and your business is local, non-intrusive, etc
And once again. We’re not designating everything “private property” and taking it away. It’s what you’re USING your property for that matters. If you have five houses and three are being rented out, socialism would take the three houses and redistribute, leaving you with the two houses you use yourself. It’s about means of production, not a mindless designation of meaningless words for the sake of state power
if i have five houses why would you take them away instead of force to sell? thats the issue i have. its one thing to force to sell them but another to just take them away