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  • Best way to handle synopsis is let him scream at his imaginary demons. You either agree or you're a troll. I've never seen him post anything happy on this forum.

  • Mar 22, 2021
    rnb sponge

    some people seem to be trolling but can't get enough of discussions about socialism its like an obsession

    mfs is closet socialists or something

    nothing i said is even trolling.

    having an opposition to socialism is trolling to synopsis

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    NiceLikeChrist

    this makes more sense but I would still argue that those things you listed as personal property would also be considered private property

    I was under the impression that under socialism owning houses would no longer exist. that's def how many people on here make it seem. if that's the case then something has to be done about people who already own houses.

    You can argue that and just be dead wrong lmao

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    rnb sponge

    some people seem to be trolling but can't get enough of discussions about socialism its like an obsession

    mfs is closet socialists or something

    His new gimmick is concern trolling that socialists want to kill ppl and make everyone poor

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    OP is a troll

    Thats what happens in a communist state guys. If you dont f*** with their ideology you are a troll and a traitor and the state will f*** you n your family n friends. Synospsis being real as f***..

    All one party systems are the same, US, China, Iran at their core are no different

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    this makes more sense but I would still argue that those things you listed as personal property would also be considered private property

    I was under the impression that under socialism owning houses would no longer exist. that's def how many people on here make it seem. if that's the case then something has to be done about people who already own houses.

    The way I look at it socialism is a post-capitalism society so

    Capitalism ---> Socialism ---> Communism

    Wherein the application of communism at the highest level is pretty far off, I see socialism as most of the things in between, there are a lot of changes that'd have to happen before it'd happen successfully

    A re-evaluation of strongly-held priorities by so many people, a mindset shift, etc, along with improving the lives of everyone (and prioritizing climate in a greater socialist umbrella), since the focus is people and not profit

    It's not going to look exactly how any of us are able to imagine it, but there are certain aspects we have a pretty good idea of where things would go in a workplace (i.e. worker co-ops instead of having higher-ups make exponentially higher amounts than their laborers who are keeping their business afloat in the first place)

    I think there are different interpretations and depends on how hardline you'd want to interpret it, this would look different and have to apply specifically to each state that would try to apply it, that's why it's not going to look like the former USSR or China or any other places most likely

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    Synopsis

    You can argue that and just be dead wrong lmao

    how is your own house not private property? can you not be charged with trespassing if you enter someones property without permission?

    the car that I bought is my private property. another person can't just go and use my car.

  • Mar 22, 2021

    i feel like im going on tangents but i'm trying to provide more context to what i understand of it my bad if it's word salad

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    Synopsis

    His new gimmick is concern trolling that socialists want to kill ppl and make everyone poor

    you have literally said you want a revolution...

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    CLB Fractions

    many socialists on here have advocated for taking peoples houses

    lol no ?

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    americana

    lol no ?

    Maybe in terms of people who own multiple houses and property, and especially when it comes to something like the real estate industry lol that would not stay the same under any circumstances

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    You have to convince people that a socialist government would do better than the current government (which has failed at fulfilling their duties)

    Giving meals and healthcare to the homeless/people living in poverty would probably do the trick. Think about what Fred Hampton did with his free breakfast for children, but on a much larger scale. To do so, you need a lot of money

    The problem is, such an organization would be heavily targeted by the government and would get decimated pretty quick. Thankfully with the Internet and cryptocurrency such a movement could be decentralized, which would be harder for the government to dismantle. I think an anonymous movement is deemed as less trustworthy to people and it's message can get lost in translation, so a charismatic leader who can move a room is still needed

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    NiceLikeChrist

    this makes more sense but I would still argue that those things you listed as personal property would also be considered private property

    I was under the impression that under socialism owning houses would no longer exist. that's def how many people on here make it seem. if that's the case then something has to be done about people who already own houses.

    wrong. you can own houses that you USE yourself

    private property in the context of socialism is an economically focused property that exists explicitly for the reason of being used to extract monetary value through labor, whether fairly or unfairly

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    rnb sponge

    The way I look at it socialism is a post-capitalism society so

    Capitalism ---> Socialism ---> Communism

    Wherein the application of communism at the highest level is pretty far off, I see socialism as most of the things in between, there are a lot of changes that'd have to happen before it'd happen successfully

    A re-evaluation of strongly-held priorities by so many people, a mindset shift, etc, along with improving the lives of everyone (and prioritizing climate in a greater socialist umbrella), since the focus is people and not profit

    It's not going to look exactly how any of us are able to imagine it, but there are certain aspects we have a pretty good idea of where things would go in a workplace (i.e. worker co-ops instead of having higher-ups make exponentially higher amounts than their laborers who are keeping their business afloat in the first place)

    I think there are different interpretations and depends on how hardline you'd want to interpret it, this would look different and have to apply specifically to each state that would try to apply it, that's why it's not going to look like the former USSR or China or any other places most likely

    You seem to be the only one who thinks of socialism as an in between state. On this site especially socialism has been made out to be a complete replacement and abandonment of the evil capitalist system.

    I would prefer a middle ground where we take some of the good from socialism while keeping what makes capitalism so attractive.

    We can improve welfare, expand affordable housing, increase taxes on the super rich, and improve the quality of life for millions without completely abandoning profits and market freedom.

  • Mar 22, 2021
    CLB Fractions

    I mean they're not

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    CLB Fractions

    you have literally said you want a revolution...

    the circumstances of revolution directly relate to how the ruling class of america reacts to normal people wanting their material needs met

    the revolution could theoretically happen peacefully through democratic reform if everybody in the ruling party stood up and threw their hands in the air and let the winds of change transform the country

    but lets be real. this country is more divided than ever and people are more willing to fight against change and progress than ever, so it’s a fight that must be had

  • Mar 22, 2021
    fun guy

    You have to convince people that a socialist government would do better than the current government (which has failed at fulfilling their duties)

    Giving meals and healthcare to the homeless/people living in poverty would probably do the trick. Think about what Fred Hampton did with his free breakfast for children, but on a much larger scale. To do so, you need a lot of money

    The problem is, such an organization would be heavily targeted by the government and would get decimated pretty quick. Thankfully with the Internet and cryptocurrency such a movement could be decentralized, which would be harder for the government to dismantle. I think an anonymous movement is deemed as less trustworthy to people and it's message can get lost in translation, so a charismatic leader who can move a room is still needed

    you can feed the homeless and give them houses without socialism.

  • Mar 22, 2021
    NiceLikeChrist

    how is your own house not private property? can you not be charged with trespassing if you enter someones property without permission?

    the car that I bought is my private property. another person can't just go and use my car.

    thats not what private property is

  • Mar 22, 2021
    NiceLikeChrist

    You seem to be the only one who thinks of socialism as an in between state. On this site especially socialism has been made out to be a complete replacement and abandonment of the evil capitalist system.

    I would prefer a middle ground where we take some of the good from socialism while keeping what makes capitalism so attractive.

    We can improve welfare, expand affordable housing, increase taxes on the super rich, and improve the quality of life for millions without completely abandoning profits and market freedom.

    profits intrinsically need to be abandoned under socialism

    free markets have always been an aspect to socialism and there’s an entire tenet of socialism that theorizes the functioning of a free market under it

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    americana

    wrong. you can own houses that you USE yourself

    private property in the context of socialism is an economically focused property that exists explicitly for the reason of being used to extract monetary value through labor, whether fairly or unfairly

    seems like an arbitrary definition that only other socialists would be keen to

    if you ask most people if their house is their private property they would say absolutely.

    simple things like that (poor choice of words/definitions) can turn a ton of people off an idea

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    NiceLikeChrist

    seems like an arbitrary definition that only other socialists would be keen to

    if you ask most people if their house is their private property they would say absolutely.

    simple things like that (poor choice of words/definitions) can turn a ton of people off an idea

    this specific discussion is semantics and a useless criticism. People with half a brain will understand the difference between a business and a homestead and the fear of people having their home taken away under leftist governance is a dumb boogeyman notion

    The entire point of leftist thought is fulfilling material needs everywhere, for everyone. So taking someone’s house away is counterintuitive

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    americana

    wrong. you can own houses that you USE yourself

    private property in the context of socialism is an economically focused property that exists explicitly for the reason of being used to extract monetary value through labor, whether fairly or unfairly

    what if we need more houses to be built and all the land is owned? wouldnt you have to take peoples land to build more houses?

  • Mar 22, 2021
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    rnb sponge

    Maybe in terms of people who own multiple houses and property, and especially when it comes to something like the real estate industry lol that would not stay the same under any circumstances

    that’s not personal property then. That’s a private property as it’s being used for economic means

    it’s not like we’re uprooting you from your home lol. treating those apartment complexes and random Air BmB’s you visit yearly to check up on as your HOME is disingenuous in this discussion

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    CLB Fractions

    what if we need more houses to be built and all the land is owned? wouldnt you have to take peoples land to build more houses?

    we don’t need to build many more houses (in America)
    Empty houses need to be taken and distributed to those who need it. Simple