but they kinda need to, dont u think? they're definitely the majority -- they may ebb away eventually, but nonetheless if any meaningful and/or dramatic change were to occur while they still represented a big portion of the country, it'd be better to have em on your side bc one of the alternatives is that they'll just raise their kids to oppose all the new school thought, similar to what's happening with some parents and CRT

yea they're gonna have to drag into being provided for whether they like it or not

i don’t like the fact that we will have to have a bunch of racists fight for workers but I guess it’s something that will have to occur if we fight in this generation

i’d prefer it not be like that

it doesn't have to be like that lol

it’s either dragging racists with us or a war of attrition and i’d rather run with the first because either way racism will be cleared out in a generation or two bloodlessly

or you know, installing class consciousness in the millions of disaffected people and workers who are not racists.

there’s no nuance to this thought. What about the 10-12 million armed americans who will fight in defense of the government? The loss would be devastating

In a welfare state the same people are still in charge and the ruling class is still getting more than their fair share.

That’s like saying would you want Trump in charge still even if we all got paid 20$ an hour. There is clearly other reasons Trumps awful than just monetary ones.

Socialism isn’t just about how much you get paid and if you have a roof over your head.

It’s a quality of life thing, it’s making sure workers have a voice not the ruling class, it’s the ability to have a job where you’re not just able to have food on the table but one you aren’t overworked, aren’t put in overly dangerous situations and aren’t taken advantage of.

how do we know they will fight? and obviously our goal is to get as many people on our side as possible. but that doesn't mean allowing racists and other reactionaries into it lol. that's counter productive.

I agree, I think it’s rightist thinking to see older people and conservatives as a lost cause.

Obviously we should have zero tolerance for racism, I’m talking normal people. We should never doubt the capabilities of the masses.

Democratic socialism is much more obtainable than full blown Socialism.

Best way is to show the people what the government CAN do, and make it political suicide to try and backpedal on it (like pre-existing conditions).

"if we just vote hard enough!"

you aren't even talking about dem socialism, but social democracy

''And obviously our goal is to get as many people on our side as possible''

Probably wise to stop being so hostile and militant towards everyone then. Especially as we all know you are not really about it.