❤️ read ur post bro

Cmon bro if u gon fault me for every artist I mention in op we might as well not even be on a music forum in the first place

tbh even if its justified I think the hate train has run with this sentiment a bit too universally. Tyler's sound is simply not palatable for a mainstream audience because its already been done and swiftly phased out by a mainstream audience 20 years ago. it can't be rendered futuristic or pop-funk anymore. are people really gunna complain that Bieber doesn't hop on backyardigans beats and cowbell orgies this is like that cringe phase where Kevin abstract was tryna make Shawn Mendes a pointlessly meta ironic spectacle.

fwiw I absolutely loved this and still do , but you can't tell me with a straight face that pop artists tryna accumulate a billion streams are in the wrong for not wanting to be on stuff like this

Pharrell goat

Why not both?

definitely. my point wasnt one or the other, just that the rape lyrics aren’t the permanent burden against tyler’s mainstream ascendence that people are trying to frame it as. We’ll look back at tyler’s post-OF image as one that is far more powerful as this prospect of prodigal stardom instead of one that is actually capable of occupying that kind of role. Then again maybe he shouldnt be that and we’re taking all of this for granted. I’d much rather blithely savour the moment as it relates to my own teenage years/young adulthood even if I havent been a stan like that since wolf

Tyler’s an icon plain and simple. Very annoying as of late but the same people who are hating cuz CMIYGL was mid and his attitude is annoying are all kanye stans in 2021. Gotta accept the hypocrisy for what it is

What the hell are you trying to say. This is incoherent mess

This beat so hard idk if Tyler could make something this catchy

Op claiming he's drunk Ok pal try and write this again another day.

niggas don't work with Tyler because of the way he got on not because of Tyler's music lmao.

he got stigma issues. s***'s changing tho

I believe him but I'm just saying he's not making sense right now.

Lol he said u were good when he saw u were drunk

lol nah i just didn’t get the connection at first, then you explained it. we over it, i even contributed my thoughts on it after you helped me out

OK but Cmon bro if u gon fault me for every artist I mention in op we might as well not even be on a music forum in the first place

Nas ran out…

I say this as a nigga that love some Neptunes.

But SOME of those joints didnt really age well.

Also, Tyler’s rap bag is waaaaay better than his pop bag tbh. Any major pop artist rocking on Earfquake and it would be the EAST of their career let’s be honest dog.

Someone mentioned earlier there were less producers to choose from in the early 2000s so more ppl didnt have options. It’s something to be said about that when the field nowadays is saturated. And niggas keep things in house more.

to be honest.... that sound Tyler emulates and strives for was already done to literal death back in the 2000's.... even The Neptunes abandoned that ship when they realized they had done everything they could with it

and it really doesn't help that Tyler is a total nerd for ALL the s*** that DIDN'T chart at all lol

Tyler: Number 5 off "insert random album here"

lmao it's just the unfortunate curse of being a weirdo musician lol having an unhealthy obsession with the sound of yesterday whilst dealing with the difficulty of fully adapting to the current sound... even when Tyler does beats with a bunch of 808's, it sounds really forced and he knows that too

Tyler just hasn't found the right artist to fully collaborate with.... he will eventually!
and hey, if all else fails, an 'I Smell Panties' reunion mixtape would be great

Dont be around hoes confirmed

The answer is that most women love this song & they love Kelis

Most women dont love Tyler & his music

At a certain point ya gotta accept tyler just isn't the neptunes or pharrell

All Neptunes production is flames

I dont think he wants to be the neptunes his just inspired by them

Cause of Tyler’s edge lord beginning in his career and because big artists can go get beats from Tyler’s father who is a proven hitmaker