Oct 23, 2023Dr. Umar saying black athletes and entertainers needed to watch this movie and lowkey
- Oct 23, 2023
Sister Anna
Oct 23, 2023
kusaThe reason I think the ending is such an important point to the viewers.
I think Scorsese wanted us to see/feel/understand no matter how well-produced/directed movies will always have a sort of artificialness unless its a primary source documentary type of media.
There is a specific reason why Scorsese did not dive deeper into the trauma Mollie felt, rather the only glimpse of it we got was those shots we got of pure horror on her face (Lily Gladstone killed it). He treated our relationship with her very very delicate, even though it was incredibly easy to sympathize with her situation, we never once got a glimpse into how she truly felt, especially towards the end, it only focused on Ernest's point of view.
I think Scorsese knows that he is not in a position to truly represent what the Osage people felt, and furthermore he realizes that no matter how much effort you put into filming, movies will always feel artificial, and there will always be a certain narrative pushed. When the play was over, Scorsese comes out on stage and confronts the audience directly, wanting to emphasize just how artificial it all is, because up to this point we have the privilege of treating it as just as a movie or a drama, but in reality this is real life, this actually happened.
Very well said
Oct 23, 2023·2 repliesI'm not of a strict "representation requirement" mindset when I go into any form of entertainment, but given Marty's appreciation for the story and how championed Gladstone has been, I expected so much more from her. After a strong start, it’s like Marty said “I don’t want to play with you anymore”, and went back to his favorite toys. It’s puzzling that he rewrote the script to focus more on the Osage perspective, because that’s ultimately what’s underserved by the film.
I’ll stop hammering this point, it’s just unfortunate and frustrating that it holds back an otherwise gripping film for me.
Oct 23, 2023·2 repliesJonboiI'm not of a strict "representation requirement" mindset when I go into any form of entertainment, but given Marty's appreciation for the story and how championed Gladstone has been, I expected so much more from her. After a strong start, it’s like Marty said “I don’t want to play with you anymore”, and went back to his favorite toys. It’s puzzling that he rewrote the script to focus more on the Osage perspective, because that’s ultimately what’s underserved by the film.
I’ll stop hammering this point, it’s just unfortunate and frustrating that it holds back an otherwise gripping film for me.
Disagree in every single way with this post
Lily Gladstone was the heart and soul of the movie and her presence was felt even when she wasn’t on screen. The adapted material is solely from the FBIs perspective so yes this was rewritten to focus more on the Osage perspective and we do get numerous key scenes that depict this but ultimately, Scorsese is making a Scorsese movie so ofc this would be from the perspective of the criminals
Oct 23, 2023
mentalcase420wonder if he wrote the "you talk too much" line in the film for that
Lmaooooooo right??!
- Oct 23, 2023mentalcase420
wonder if he wrote the "you talk too much" line in the film for that
Or did Lily improv that cus Leo was rambling too much 😂😂
- Oct 23, 2023·1 reply
YoungFashionedphenomenal movie
Fire right?
- Oct 23, 2023·1 reply
KeepthereceiptHe was so good in Aviator
This the one movie I need to give a rewatch cus I don’t think I appreciated it at the time when I watched it
- Oct 23, 2023Keepthereceipt
He was so good in Aviator
Scorseses most underrated movie imo and it’s top 5 of his filmog
- Oct 23, 2023·2 replieskusa
The reason I think the ending is such an important point to the viewers.
I think Scorsese wanted us to see/feel/understand no matter how well-produced/directed movies will always have a sort of artificialness unless its a primary source documentary type of media.
There is a specific reason why Scorsese did not dive deeper into the trauma Mollie felt, rather the only glimpse of it we got was those shots we got of pure horror on her face (Lily Gladstone killed it). He treated our relationship with her very very delicate, even though it was incredibly easy to sympathize with her situation, we never once got a glimpse into how she truly felt, especially towards the end, it only focused on Ernest's point of view.
I think Scorsese knows that he is not in a position to truly represent what the Osage people felt, and furthermore he realizes that no matter how much effort you put into filming, movies will always feel artificial, and there will always be a certain narrative pushed. When the play was over, Scorsese comes out on stage and confronts the audience directly, wanting to emphasize just how artificial it all is, because up to this point we have the privilege of treating it as just as a movie or a drama, but in reality this is real life, this actually happened.
You’re 100% spot on. I read that someone who’s part of the Osage nation thought Scorsese did a good job on the film, he wishes the main POV was Lilys character but believes only an Osage person could REALLY tell that type of story, so for being a white man he did the best he could
Oct 23, 2023·1 replyreally good movie, but boy I can’t stand the main character of a movie being a complete moron
- Oct 23, 2023Oscar Winner
This the one movie I need to give a rewatch cus I don’t think I appreciated it at the time when I watched it
Feel like first half kinda drags but the second half is special
Oct 23, 2023This is really interesting
historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/killers-of-the-flower-moon
Hollywood vs Historic Comparison
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyOsey
really good movie, but boy I can’t stand the main character of a movie being a complete moron
him breaking down in a mess over baby anna dying was so funny after everything he did
- Oct 23, 2023·edited·1 replyJonboi
I'm not of a strict "representation requirement" mindset when I go into any form of entertainment, but given Marty's appreciation for the story and how championed Gladstone has been, I expected so much more from her. After a strong start, it’s like Marty said “I don’t want to play with you anymore”, and went back to his favorite toys. It’s puzzling that he rewrote the script to focus more on the Osage perspective, because that’s ultimately what’s underserved by the film.
I’ll stop hammering this point, it’s just unfortunate and frustrating that it holds back an otherwise gripping film for me.
Well he was told that only a person who’s part of the Osage family can truly write about the experience of the Osage. I think this is the best of what he could do. The original plan was to be some white savior movie where the FBI is trying to save the day. Basically when Jess plemmons shows up all the way to the end was the original movie, with Plemmons as the main character. But I get what you’re saying cus once Leo starts poisoning her, we see less and less of Lily. I’m thinking he just didn’t have much to say at that point about her character? I mean it was mostly her lying on her death bed, besides the hallucinations what more can you show to where you not boring the audience?
- Oct 23, 2023·2 repliesSlamGod
Disagree in every single way with this post
Lily Gladstone was the heart and soul of the movie and her presence was felt even when she wasn’t on screen. The adapted material is solely from the FBIs perspective so yes this was rewritten to focus more on the Osage perspective and we do get numerous key scenes that depict this but ultimately, Scorsese is making a Scorsese movie so ofc this would be from the perspective of the criminals
Did you feel like she came off as too naive at all? Why was she so trusting of Leo, and DeNiro? I expected her to have a more complicated internal struggle, and the movie never really gave time for that. I couldn’t help but feel like if someone like PTA wrote the movie, the dynamic between them would be more fully explored. I’m just getting a little bored of always seeing these victim roles. It happened in Power of the Dog, but in that film I felt like it actually suited what the story was trying to say, and the character made sense.
- Oct 23, 2023SlamGod
Disagree in every single way with this post
Lily Gladstone was the heart and soul of the movie and her presence was felt even when she wasn’t on screen. The adapted material is solely from the FBIs perspective so yes this was rewritten to focus more on the Osage perspective and we do get numerous key scenes that depict this but ultimately, Scorsese is making a Scorsese movie so ofc this would be from the perspective of the criminals
And you literally gotta show the criminals because he is married to Lily lol. That’s what makes it so compelling and shocking, she’s dying (faster because of Leo) while he’s out killing her family members to get rich
- Oct 23, 2023·2 repliesKeepthereceipt
him breaking down in a mess over baby anna dying was so funny after everything he did
right like my guy you were just slowly killing your children's mother
I guess that my main issue was the relationship with him and Molly and that the big devious plan of the film was just Uncle telling his dumbass nephew what to do at every turn - there's no suspense with that
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyOsey
right like my guy you were just slowly killing your children's mother
I guess that my main issue was the relationship with him and Molly and that the big devious plan of the film was just Uncle telling his dumbass nephew what to do at every turn - there's no suspense with that
Yea I heard the book is a lot more of a mystery and the movie decided to tell the story differently
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyJonboi
Did you feel like she came off as too naive at all? Why was she so trusting of Leo, and DeNiro? I expected her to have a more complicated internal struggle, and the movie never really gave time for that. I couldn’t help but feel like if someone like PTA wrote the movie, the dynamic between them would be more fully explored. I’m just getting a little bored of always seeing these victim roles. It happened in Power of the Dog, but in that film I felt like it actually suited what the story was trying to say, and the character made sense.
Not at all, I didn’t once think she was naive. Her silence to me actually resonated the complexity of her character and feelings
- Oct 23, 2023·1 replyOsey
right like my guy you were just slowly killing your children's mother
I guess that my main issue was the relationship with him and Molly and that the big devious plan of the film was just Uncle telling his dumbass nephew what to do at every turn - there's no suspense with that
I think the suspense was how far is he gonna go? Is Molly gonna die?
- Oct 23, 2023Oscar Winner
Well he was told that only a person who’s part of the Osage family can truly write about the experience of the Osage. I think this is the best of what he could do. The original plan was to be some white savior movie where the FBI is trying to save the day. Basically when Jess plemmons shows up all the way to the end was the original movie, with Plemmons as the main character. But I get what you’re saying cus once Leo starts poisoning her, we see less and less of Lily. I’m thinking he just didn’t have much to say at that point about her character? I mean it was mostly her lying on her death bed, besides the hallucinations what more can you show to where you not boring the audience?
I think he turned it into a Martin Scorsese movie. Instead of a white savior movie, it’s a white villain movie haha. As it is, it sits right in his wheelhouse. But I sort of wish he would have stretched himself to not rely so much on his favorite impulses.
- Oct 23, 2023Oscar Winner
Not at all, I didn’t once think she was naive. Her silence to me actually resonated the complexity of her character and feelings
The scene where they are sitting in the rain was pretty beautiful, I just wish we would have got more of that