I disagree, people in rap respected him and noticed the vision early on; hence Jay-Z trying to sign him. Unless we’re quantifying respect as “Ebro says nice things about you and not mean things”. He had a huge audience before CMIGYL, he had Ye and Pharrell-level collaborators before CMIYGL and rap always been his base; he just wasn’t in a heel role anymore when he got big interviews or did media spots

am i witnessing revisionist history itt right now

mind you, this is after the release of IGOR which dropped after FB

i dont agree with Khaled but but cmon this was the general opinion about Tyler from the majority for years

even Tyler agrees

It’s fire asf

Have to disagree,

I feel like the reason why it cut thru the way it did at the time is because of the specific mission he was on with the gangsta grillz theme and also nobody in the same space as him was making anything close to an inspired body of music

He was 10 years into his career at the time and still revealing new things about himself and creating new musical moments for himself in ways that felt extremely genuine

Understand if it’s not for you, but the actual content of the music was pretty impressive for an artist in the stage that he was in

He’s a lifer as a musician and I’m convinced through what he’s shown in his career that he will constantly find new ways to express himself and it’s only becoming more obvious to the general mass

Yeah I think people are taking it as we’re saying he wasn’t successful or nobody liked or respected him

What we’re saying is CMIYGL made it possible for tyler to be in top 5 rappers rn convos, i think we’ll really see that w his next album

Bc even when flower boy was out and buzzing u still woulda caught hell saying u thought tyler was top 5 out but u coulda said someone like big sean w no hassle. He just wasn’t respected amongst the average hip hop listener until recently but ofc he had success and lots of fans

Bro thank you for this post u nailed what i was tryna say

appreciate it, I should really get back to finishing this excel sheet at work rn tho 😭

i appreciated the album a lot more when i saw it live but i wasn’t too keen on it either tbh

definitely better than IGOR though, ill never get the appeal of that album

It's Flower Boy.

What are "faux-hot people"

jeez dude plenty of criticism you could prolly lop onto that album but bland or uninspired are definitely not among them

Lmao i don’t all the way disagree but what are the indicators that make it “sound like hidden NY”

that’s a fascinating description. I have more thoughts but I wanna let you say what you mean

I want another “I’m a regular nigga now and rapping” album tbh

It's still Flower Boy imo

This is an amazing way to say a beat sucks lmao

And it’s even better because Pharrell has plenty of beats like this that “didn’t give us the same feeling it gave him” lmfao

Igor better.

Nah, FlowerBoy more accessible/mainstream

If you're talking about what was said on the Cherry Bomb documentary, Tyler just wanted him to deliver part of his verse in a certain way and Pharrell didn't agree that it would sound better

hell no

real asf

i think of it more like a side tape it’s too boring to me for a canonical tyler album

Probably the one I go back to the most. Good balance of sounds, not too long.