Buckleys Angel

3y

I was just shocked at how mindless the game was. I literally didn’t lose a single battle once.

Ultima

3y

You're missing my point.

BW1 wasn't made specifically for older fans. It was actually supposed to start GF's new philosophy on games. That shifted during BW1 development to just trying to get back that spark of the original games. They wanted to lure in new fans by having them feel the same way kids did when they first played Red/Blue. This is when the current philosophy started and they no longer viewed older fans as their target demographic. GF even went theextra mile of resetting the routes, making 150+ new Pokemon, making it soonly those Pokemon can be caught just like in Red/Blue, new characters, no mention of older regions( except in post game) etc.

This all changed when BW1 received huge backlash from the Japanese audiences. They didn't want a game like BW1. So the original game that was BW2 was scraped in favor of B2/W2. They threw in all the older Pokemon in routes accessible to players, threw in kanto nostalgia, threw in old characters, etc. This even was the start of event legendaries not being so eventful anymore. They just gave them to you. Keldeo has the resolute cut scene but that's it. BW2 was the start of GF's "Players don't have time for games anymore" philosophy.

This contradicts 2009 interviews where Masuda, morimoto, and a few others said HG/SS was made with love. "It's a love letter to fans. We wanted to jam as much content and fun little throw backs as possible. We owe everything to our fans and that's why HG/SS was made"

I don't mean how much games have content, but how they were cared for. BW1 I would say was made with love too. They actually did a really good job on it. I'm also not saying BW1/2 were bad games. In fact I love Gen V, but HG/SS was the last game where nostalgia was done right in Pokemon. I mean they even incorporated aspects from Crystal and Yellow into HG/SS and added content on to Gold and Silver. They even added in DPP content to connect Sinnoh and Johto lure.

BW2 is the reason why we get s***ty games now. If you noticed, GF has been trying to get back that nostalgia feeling ever since BW1 failed. They restart routes every game and Kanto nostalgia bait every game now. It goes back to people crying about not being able to play with a effin Growlithe during a playthrough(this is literally a reason why some Japanese fans was upset LOL)

They absolutely didn't fall off because of time constraints. They don't care what fans have to say anymore. Actually I could link you to two very well done videos on how GF philosophy has changed over the years. It has zero to do with time constraints and everything to do with how they feel Fans don't play games anymore and are more into their phones now (which is a flat out lie)

Stardust

3y

I still dont understand your point. In the first paragraph you said with bw they stopped listening to older fans to please newer fans(which is the right thing to do imo, theres no innovation in making the same thing over and over again, what gamefreak did wrong was the execution) then in the other paragraphs you said they then listened to older fans and made b2/w2 and these 2 games were bad because of it. So whats the right thing for you, listening to older fans or not?

Stardust

3y

Also not to attack anyone but F*** nostalgia, especially in pokemon. Im tired of kanto references, i hate that region now. Im tired of them releasing red and blue over and over again, im tired of getting regional forms only with gen 1 pokemon, im tired of people acting like gen 1 had the best pokemon when some designs were as lazy as some new ones. Gamefreak's biggest issue as game developers and designers is they're stuck in the past because older fans dont want to forget the times they were playing with gameboys and everytime gamefreak does something new it gets hated on because its not like the older pokemon. Alola brought some great ideas that, although not all of them were executed in the best way, at least brought something refreshing in a stale series, yet fans hated it because there were no gyms. Gen 6 eliminated hms and introduced regional forms, the best ideas they've had in a decade, and that got unnecessary hate

Ultima

3y

I never said they were bad because of it lol. I said this was the start of their current philosophy. BW1 didn't start because they stopped listening to fans. It started because they wanted to get back that nostalgia feeling. BW2 came about because of the backlash to BW1 and it wasn't out of love. It was moreso out of anger "Here's your same ole Pokemon games enjoy" BW2 has content. It's good games, but under the hood you can start to see Game Freak was kind of upset here. Event Pokemon was removed, it started the linear game design the games currently have(BW1 game you a lot more freedom), Kanto Nostalgia is rampant in Unova now all of sudden everyone in the games heard of Kanto, Johto, and Sinnoh, they didn't finish Genesect story from BW1, BW2 also was the start of Rotom being shoehorned into every game, Keldo was given a new form that doesn't even do anything. You can obviously tell they just jammed it with content but didn't do it like they did HG/SS.

They went from we need to fill these games with as much content as possible we love you guys.

To

We would never do DLC, Pokemon will never have DLC.

To

Fans of video games no longer have time to play games now. They're more into cell phones now. DLC is a great way to add more content (especially if we rip you guys off more )

My point is, just because BW2 was given a ton of content doesn't mean it was done from a caring aspect. They rolled back a lot of things from BW1. I'm a huge fan of Black/white. A quick scan of this thread and the ranking thread would show that, but as a fan of the games it's blatantly clear that BW2 was the start of GF just like "You want Kanto HERE'S YOUR KANTO"

Stardust

3y

Thanks now i understand your point and 100% agree with you. HG/SS were the best remakes they've ever made and the reason i dont want remakes anymore. HG/SS improved EVERYTHING the original games were and even added more

Ultima

3y

HG/SS definitely was the best remakes they ever made. You can clearly see the concept differences between HG/SS And ORAS. ORAS didn't do really anything to make R/S better. They even removed content and didn't bother to fix some of the issues of R/S

Stardust

3y

Its truly sad, f*** pokemon company. Cant put blame entirely on gamefreak since they have to release basically an entire new game each year and no quality game can be made in such a short time. Back in the ds era it was way easier to develop games but now its Impossible. Unless someone who actually gets it takes over pokemon company nothing is gonna change unfortunately

Ultima

3y

These games are on a 2-3 year development cycle. It's not done in a year. GF also has the funds to hire more people. They just refuse to do it. I place the blame wholeheartedly on GF and The Pokemon Company. They're still stuck in a prehistoric way of game development and lost touch with fans.

Ultima

3y

Tamashii Hiroka and Distant Kingdom did great videos on GF philosophy change and how they've been pretty disrespectful to fans since 2013. I was shocked Tamashii said she hates FR/LG and explained herself well to.

Smoochill

3y

I don't touch this franchise since B/W, currently on W2 and I'm enjoyin so far but it looks it is on a downward spiral since x/y.
Do you know if they'll continue pokemon ranger?
Last time I played them I was like 13-14 so if I played now it would be just a lot of nostalgia.
Also I wonder what will they offer after d/p remakes and how many generations will they put out, people already speak how it is becomin stale and I'm curious to see if there will be 10+ generations lmao.

Smoochill

3y

I don't touch this franchise since B/W, currently on W2 and I'm enjoyin so far but it looks it is on a downward spiral since x/y.
Do you know if they'll continue pokemon ranger?
Last time I played them I was like 13-14 so if I played now it would be just a lot of nostalgia.
Also I wonder what will they offer after d/p remakes and how many generations will they put out, people already speak how it is becomin stale and I'm curious to see if there will be 10+ generations lmao.

Stardust

3y

Gamefreak needs to be less insecure about new ideas they bring and develop them. Megaevolutions were dope outside of the competitive element, alola as a region was creative af. Then you have ideas like gigamax and z moves that were meh but could've been developed into something interesting. Yet they were all discarded because they were half assed ideas. Like if they discard the wild area completely cause they were half assed in pokemon sw/sh im gonna be so mad. I understand that these ideas cant be more fleshed out cause they simply dont have time, but over the course of different regions they can surely be improved. I hope they keep at least the wild area (improving it) and how they did gyms and the pokemon league for the next games

Hi-C

3y

They need to stop focusing on reinventing the wheel and just introduce actual good RPG mechanics. BOTW is proof of concept that simple is better.

Giving Pokémon more utility is an example of that. Imagine if you were in a cave and you could cast out your Pokémon to like scale an area you wouldn’t be able to reach, or like had to send out a Pokémon to light a path for you. Idk I just think they could do a lot of great things and build a really cool sand box but they are so complacent and don’t care because they can churn the same s***ty game and the fans will buy it no matter what.

It’s so sad, they actually had hardware to work with and they did nothing to actually utilize it. Sword and Shield are the worst games for me purely because it felt like they didn’t put any effort into world building and genuinely cut out content and charged even more for it. It’s a higher resolution 3DS game with the wild area. It’s so trash

Stardust

3y

Yeah i agree, but also a lot of fans dont like change and were critical of almost every change they tried to implement to the series. They have to stick to something and follow it to the end and stop half assing s***

Hi-C

3y

It’s a fine balance. I think change can be really good if it’s the right change. QOL changes are always welcome. I think most people at this stage would be fine with free moving cameras (ala Wild Area). You can keep core mechanics that make Pokémon Pokémon (battling system is mostly fine although if they found a decent way to try to make it more fast paced or dynamic I wouldn’t be that upset about it), gyms, capturing mechanics, Pokédex etc. It’s more just about movement and exploration and stuff that I wish we could do.

Like think if the game was as vast as BOTW, where areas were super dense. Going from town to town would actually feel like a journey. Idk it’s a pipe dream cause GF is actually a terrible studio who got lucky as f*** with making Pokémon. They’ve been riding that success for 25 years at this point and are too cowardly to try to flesh the game out. Idk until they can prove they’re willing to take a good risk I’m done buying their bullshit

Stardust

3y

It took botw 4 years to develop, Gamefreak has at best 2 years to make pokemon games. Its never happening. Before getting an open world i want good animations for every character and pokemon, multiple difficulties and good graphics and just this is asking for a lot

Hi-C

3y

I just don’t understand WHY they feel we need a new Pokémon game every two years. Like I promise you if they spent twice the time making a good f***ing game people would enjoy it a lot more and wouldn’t feel so burnt every release.

These mfers know damn well though they can ride the “well it’s hard to make a game in 2 years” excuse. Sigh man I’ve done too much complaining about this to know it’ll never come. Pokémon makes too much money by taking the zero risks so why would they stop?

Hi-C

3y

I just don’t understand WHY they feel we need a new Pokémon game every two years. Like I promise you if they spent twice the time making a good f***ing game people would enjoy it a lot more and wouldn’t feel so burnt every release.

These mfers know damn well though they can ride the “well it’s hard to make a game in 2 years” excuse. Sigh man I’ve done too much complaining about this to know it’ll never come. Pokémon makes too much money by taking the zero risks so why would they stop?