Ubi would replace a lot of existing infrastructure, and mean we can get rid of expensive means testing bureaucracy

Plus people with money tend to make calmer choices, better fed, less stressed and less likely to fall further

What the f***kkkk

Social democracy is pretty much standard around lots of left wing parties in Europe

FDR was most popular president of all time and he was socdem i guess

Lots of the older Australian labor party candidates I guess were socdem and they added some most important policies to Australia

I think you're lost. The communal living thread is here: ktt2.com/my-theory-on-communal-living-92821

im good 😌

Are you going to answer the question?

Answer the question.

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why does the national debt matter

i never said it did matter

Because you devalue the f*** out of the dollar if you think you can just print money and give it away. You’ll actually see this in real time soon enough

Sure lol

Goat thread im a socdem

I think Canada, UK(pre brexit atleast) and California are the biggest social liberal governments/economic systems (super into social justice, feminism, loves immigration, economic incentives for families and higher minimum wages etc)

I gotta say as a canadian living under this system it leaves a lot to be desired, here we hv justin trudeau who’s like the biggest world leader that embraces this ideology. The guy legalized weed, increased Canada immigration intake to 300k/yr(unheard of numbers on a per capita basis) etc and those are all good but the things with liberals like him or their equivalents in the states, the kamala harris’s and cory bookers, is that they still face pressure from the soc dem left on the core economic issues. Ill give u that they are more open to input from the soc dems than (here in Canada our liberals and soc dems are basically in a parliamentary coalition always) center rightists like biden or whatever but they still have sore spots policy wise. Their more laissez fair attitude like u mentioned on regulations always leads to the sort of crony, cocktail liberal corruption and s***. Anyway it’s an interesting dynamic. While I prefer them to center rightists or full conservatives the ideology still isn’t perfect

Also based on yr description ubi isn’t something that belongs to this ideology

UBI is more a social democrat idea

Social liberalism is trash

It alienates working class people

No social liberalism cool

They're both good ideologies altho it is the less popular one, in the uk social liberals designed the NHS

uk labour was never social liberalism until blair government come in

guy which introduced it was a socialist (not saying medicare is socialist policy through)

labour party at one point was anti capitalist

nah, the actual blueprint for the nhs was planned out by a liberal

social liberalism tends to not be as popular with working class people but it's an ally

Basically what i was tryna say lol

It’s tolerable but dsnt fix a lot of underlying issues

It also feels annoying bcus it creates a facade of progress. Like trudeau is definitely progressive in areas but our socdems hv to push him on A LOT

a***ysis always need to make sure it is an ally though, as in all people who say they're for something

Completely agree

Nothing funnier than stalinist calling us social fascists when stalin killed countless Jews, Ukrainians, central asians for the crime of existing

Extremism and tyranny are bad xx