Those big whole pickles delis would give you too

I know, and I’m addressing that. I disagree with that statement seeing as appearing masculine and being masculine are two different things.

A nigga putting a flower in his fro is not going to dismantle the entire structure of masculinity and femininity in society.

Most of that black boy joy s*** i see is just trying to promote freedom and individuality to a group of people that feel like they have to be and look a certain way. Freedom and individuality inspire confidence, and the other qualities you mentioned yourself (strength, courage and leadership) which is in itself a huge part of healthy masculinity.

Acting otherwise promotes suppression of the self which on the outside may seem masculine, really isn’t, just promotes insecurity and to an extent, stress, more unnecessary aggression, which leads us right back to toxic masculinity.

Faaaaakeeeee like when a girl tellin u how a man shud be but she ain’t got a d*** woooooooooo

Listen

It’s real and women make men like this

I’m not saying this to patronize women

I’m saying it because it’s true

dont really think this is universally true, but jumping off this ... i get mad uncomfortable seeing women throw out insults that play into toxic masculinity.

good example is my friend showing me some tweet about ben shapiro, where the woman essentially implied that he's hateful bc he "never got girls as a kid" (in funnier words but basically that).

obv my friend thought it was hilarious but it was strange as f*** to me ... like we really tying your personality to how hard you pulled in HS ?

You right. This is just things we were taught growing up though and you had to do these things. If you let one person disrespect you and did nothing about it everybody else would disrespect you and call you a b****. Or if you didn’t want to talk to a girl on street your gay all of a sudden. I’ve fought and did stupid things because life would’ve been hell hanging out with my friends.

relate to that heavy. when i got older i got the chance to move out of my old neighborhood and make some new friends, but i still got some day ones that are grown men acting like this

My friends be going the insulting gay people or making derogatory remarks. I like to make fun of them by playing deep into the role to the point they get uncomfortable and are at a loss for words because I'm much better a s***ty talking than they know.

But women do be doing the utmost to belittle a man either by his manhood, the size of it, it's effectiveness, and very little about the personality because their feelings are hurt and they have an easy way to strike the ego.

In the way I’m saying is more-so Twitter-logic and social-media logic begging men to be anything but themselves.

Some guys just need to be themselves instead of women trying to transform them into what they want them to be.

This works both ways. Man could possibly be more toxic.

It ain’t real

And there’s always one nigga you’re around that loves to clown but wanna get serious after every joke somebody cracks on him s*** is a cycle

Reading through the thread rn. Only on page 2 but damn, a lot of you niggas are p**** lol

Masculinity aren't those kinda traits though simply because those aren't traits you can attach/assign a gender to.

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Oh women play a massive role in perpetuating toxic and hyper masculinity. Which leads to emotional, mental, and physical harm to boys and girls.

Most toxic/hypermasculinity issues stem from a man just being extremely insecure with themselves and their interests because they never grew up past the "Oh that's for boys, that's for girls!" phase of their life.

It's actually really sad.

Last thing imma say on this is you can still very much be masculine while wearing a dress. And if you can understand that then I'd say you are on the right track in understanding all this s***

Absolutely and it’s not just men perpetrating it.

Accept that men feel sad, cry and feel vulnerable too.

Allow men to communicate their feelings without feeling like they aren’t a real man or are less of a human being.

Men need encouragement to let their guard down and talk about their feelings.

knew a man who pushed another man into a pond cuz biddies were watching... same man got run up for a blu jays jacket n wanted to switch schools cuz biddies was watching. dude was paging me in the locker room bout it for like 10 min straight
i think its real and its kinda like you have to be watching somebody exhibit it to understand how sad it is if that makes sense.

It's real and anytime someone chastises you for not being a real man, then they're perpetuating it.

I absolutely hate it. It is the cancer of society. One of my best friends always hangs out with some of those hypermasculine a******s cause he knows them from his childhood. It is so embarrassing when he is talking about getting b****es and so on.

Like would you want to copy those idiots. Every girl in our friend group makes fun of him because of that. But he thinks it is crazy cool and makes him look tough. Trying desperately to get the recognition of those older guys.

That's not not being masculine but rather a decent human being