OPAug 15, 2021
SHAQUILLESo what’s you’re solution then? How does a local pizza shop become exploitation free?
Simple, by collective ownership by the workers of said pizza shop.
- Aug 15, 2021
He’s not wrong tbh
Coming from someone who works at a small business this summer
Nessy 🦎Aug 15, 2021·1 reply
Scratchin MambaDoesn't mean small business owners still not capitalists, they still exploit their employees, but the difference in outcomes when a small business vs a big business is looted is obvious.
But small businesses getting collectivized too
But you have to be mindful about the messaging when talking about small businesses tho..
They must all perish in fire
Aug 15, 2021PEACEFUL HARMONYYeah bro let’s take your one example and apply it to all. And no billoin dollar companies exploiting their employees for 12$ an hour is exploitation not a good comparison
I am actually taking both of my experiences with small businesses. I did not make $12 an hour either. I made $45,000 a year as the customer service manager. One of my best friends was a part owner of the company and even he would say he would not work for a small business again.
- Aug 15, 2021·1 replySynopsis
Right, and so how do they profit? by paying their employees less than they produce, hence exploitation.
Let’s just ignore all the work that owners of small businesses put in because they get more money than their employees (as they should)
Aug 15, 2021·1 replyEh this is too black and white though. Running a business from the ground up is so risky and different from a company that is already here making billions lol.
I'm trying to work for myself, and that is technically a small business as well.
- Aug 15, 2021Nessy
They must all perish in fire
- OPAug 15, 2021·1 replyPEACEFUL HARMONY
Let’s just ignore all the work that owners of small businesses put in because they get more money than their employees (as they should)
Sorry, nothing entitles you to exploit others. sad, i know.
- Aug 15, 2021·1 replyJugern0t
The answer is simple. People simply don't see small businesses and corporations as the same. Owning a small business is more within reach to a lot of people while being an owner or CEO of a large company is not. They have more compassion for small businesses even though they aren't that much better and sometimes are even worse than large corporations.
I worked for a small business, helped build it up, and after covid we went under because the businesses we worked with all shut down. I had 350+ of pto and our owner who would often say I was like a son to him and did this whole family s*** when talking about our workers did not pay us out our pto. Personally I would never work for a small business again, but I understand why people think it's different from a company that is publicly traded.
This is true too. I technically work for a small business, but the work load is so s*** lol
- OPAug 15, 2021
also no one said "everyone should get paid the same"
- Aug 15, 2021·3 replies
1. How much ownership?
2. What happens to their piece of ownership when they leave the shop?
- OPAug 15, 2021·1 replyragedsycokiller
Eh this is too black and white though. Running a business from the ground up is so risky and different from a company that is already here making billions lol.
I'm trying to work for myself, and that is technically a small business as well.
you can have a small business and not engage in exploitation
Aug 15, 2021·1 replySynopsisRight, and so how do they profit? by paying their employees less than they produce, hence exploitation.
Exploitation carries subtext of it being unfair. If a store pays a wage where they can be comfortable that is also below how much they produce, would that still be exploitation?
- OPAug 15, 2021·1 replySHAQUILLE
@Synopsis @Scratchin_Bandit
1. How much ownership?
2. What happens to their piece of ownership when they leave the shop?
lmao what? everyone has ownership.
2. uhm it goes away
- Aug 15, 2021·1 replyragedsycokiller
This is true too. I technically work for a small business, but the work load is so s*** lol
Dude I did the work of three to four people lol. I got paid $45,000 a year and it was still not worth it.
- OPAug 15, 2021RRRBBB
Exploitation carries subtext of it being unfair. If a store pays a wage where they can be comfortable that is also below how much they produce, would that still be exploitation?
Yes, that is literally what exploitation is.
- Aug 15, 2021Synopsis
you can have a small business and not engage in exploitation
That's true and I agree. I'm trying to figure that out on my own from my experience working in the white collar world for 3 years now.
- Aug 15, 2021·1 replySynopsis
lmao what? everyone has ownership.
2. uhm it goes away
I’m saying what percentage of the business do they own?
- Aug 15, 2021·1 replyJugern0t
Dude I did the work of three to four people lol. I got paid $45,000 a year and it was still not worth it.
tell me about it - OPAug 15, 2021·2 repliesSHAQUILLE
I’m saying what percentage of the business do they own?
The workers own 100%
- Aug 15, 2021·2 repliesSynopsis
Sorry, nothing entitles you to exploit others. sad, i know.
Not exploitation
- OPAug 15, 2021·1 replyPEACEFUL HARMONY
Not exploitation
Go read a book
Aug 15, 2021·1 replyPEACEFUL HARMONYNot exploitation
mans has a jpegmafia avi and is saying this
- Aug 15, 2021SHAQUILLE
@Synopsis @Scratchin_Bandit
1. How much ownership?
2. What happens to their piece of ownership when they leave the shop?
Within the current capitalist system, a worker co-op
But after the revolution we doing even bigger things
- CKL TML 🌺Aug 15, 2021·1 reply
OP isnt lying